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Old 03-30-2005   #46 (permalink)
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In front of the Iberostar?
Yeah, I meant south of the gala. Thanks for setting me straight.
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Old 03-30-2005   #47 (permalink)
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I'm confused as to where this actually took place? Does anyone know which Iberostar complex as they have 4? Was it on the beach?
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This is a sad and unfortunate incident.

Apparently it happened in a very secluded area south of the last Playacar all-inclusive resort. This area of beach is made up of a few small coves. These coves have a bluff area behind then and in a few cases a bluff at the north and south. When you are in this area you cannot be seen from the big beach to the north, or in some places even by people to the south of you (if there are any that is). Due to the sound of the waves and the sound absorbing affect of the sand around you, you could scream very loud and you will not be heard.

This is a very nice area of the beach to visit, but do it as a group.

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So is that does that make it the Iberostar Del Mar?
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That would be south of all the resorts, in an undeveloped area. Not in front of any resort.
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So is that does that make it the Iberostar Del Mar?
The Iberostar Del Mar/Beach, Lindo and Maya are not located in Playacar, they are well north of this area. Only the Tucan is in Playacar so that is the hotel that they are speaking of.
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Old 03-30-2005   #52 (permalink)
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Victim Blaming

Arent we doing a bit of victim blaming here? I have heard some critical things said about this woman and her husband and it may not have been a supremely intelligent thing to go out late at night by yourself in a secluded area BUT....

Shouldnt a person be able to walk down the beach or street with the assumption that they are not going to be killed?? Lets stop blaming the victim here and put the blame on the person/persons who did this. Its ultimately them who committed this heinous act.

I hope they find whoever did this, I dont like to think that this type of person is walking the streets of Playa.
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For anyone who is interested and can read spanish there has been a follow up article, not so much about the death itself,, but about the jurisdiction of the police ect. here is the link.

http://www.poresto.net/index.php?ID=25477
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safety...

I am saddened by the news, of course. However, it does not make me feel any less safe in Playa. About 10 years ago, one of my neighbors in my apartment complex in Bloomington, MN went for a walk in a wooded park (right next to the police station) that I had been spending time in since I was a child. She was murdered in the park on a wooded path in broad daylight. It was hard to deal with for many reasons, but it certainly made me realize that even in a safe area, bad things can happen. I personally feel that Donald Blom killed her as he lived very close by at that time, but the murder has never been solved. (Donald Blom is in prison for murdering Katie Poier in rural Minnesota a few years ago). Many of my neighbors were questioned (my husband included since he was one of the last to see her alive) and the newsmedia was horrible at our building for a long time. If Playa had many incidents like this, it would make me feel as though I did not want to come back, but with only this isolated incident, I am still going to feel safe in the area using good common sense regarding safety.
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Arent we doing a bit of victim blaming here? I have heard some critical things said about this woman and her husband and it may not have been a supremely intelligent thing to go out late at night by yourself in a secluded area BUT....

Shouldnt a person be able to walk down the beach or street with the assumption that they are not going to be killed?? Lets stop blaming the victim here and put the blame on the person/persons who did this. Its ultimately them who committed this heinous act.

I hope they find whoever did this, I dont like to think that this type of person is walking the streets of Playa.
Kirbyfan, no, not victim blaming. Whoever she was, she didn't deserve being murdered. But even though you can not avoid that things like that happen in broad daylight (and sometimes there are people around who see and don't help) the point is that there are ways to avoid certain risks. And that's common sense. Yes, of course a person should be able to walk the streets and on the beach but still you should use your common sense... I wouldn't be afraid to go on the beach in Playa or in front of the ressort in the evening. But as Michael Holmes explained the area where she was found was very secluded so it was highly dangerous what she did even though it was not late but it was dark.

And I don't think anybody wants or intended to find excuses for the person(s) who did this.

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Arent we doing a bit of victim blaming here? I have heard some critical things said about this woman and her husband and it may not have been a supremely intelligent thing to go out late at night by yourself in a secluded area...
If I read correctly, it wasn't that late either (between 8-9:00pm). Is it not safe to walk alone at that time in that area?

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Not great translation, but...

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Murder of tourist affects the tourist image

It is already time that Playacar accepts the support of the
police: Mendicuti

By Manuel Chuc Chan

BEACH Of CARMEN, SOLIDARITY, 21 of March. - The sadistic murder
of the German visitor Iris Schellert in the exclusive tourist complex
of Playacar, in where it was stayed in one of his hotels, is a fact
that lamentably affects the tourist image, affirmed to the mayor
Gabriel Mendicuti Loría, who nevertheless, recognized that the
municipal police is disabled to patrol the zone, every time this one
is administered by the condómino regime, "from the beginning of our
management we had the doors closed with the people of Playacar".

Although the tourist complex in mention, in where 5 thousand hotel
quarters are located more than, is administered by the regime of
condóminos, reason why it is not municipalizado, every time their
representatives affirm that they thus stay in better conditions,
situation that was accepted to him of legal way by the previous city
councils; Gabriel Mendicuti Loría, emphasized that two or three
situations in that tourist complex have occurred that affect the
destiny, "reason why is time that accepts the support of a
professional police".

In its editing of today Monday, this newspaper informed into opportune
way that a German tourist sadistically was tortured and assassinated
in a solitary place of the exclusive tourist complex Playacar; the
body of the victim was found the morning of today Sunday, although it
was reported like disappeared by his husband from the night of
Saturday.

Interviewed the morning of today Monday by mass media at the end of
the commemorative civic ceremony to the 199 anniversary of the
natalicio of Benito Pablo Juárez Garci'a; the mayor Gabriel Mendicuti
Loría, reiterated the importance that the representatives of
Playacar, accept the support of the monitoring of the elements of the
Municipal Direction of Seguridad Pu'blica (DMSP), because they have
refused to the previous thing, under the plea which they administer
themselves under the regime of condóminos.

In another order of ideas, the municipal president, announced
that personal of the main directorate of Urban Administration, will
make an overhaul of the houses that are constructed to the division
"World Habitat", by landslides of the registered walls Thursday by the
strong winds that affected this city; although Mendicuti Loría,
attributed the previous thing to a negligence, because the walls rose
to discharges and the castles were not strained to him, "but of all
way we are going to make the corresponding overhauls".

Gabriel Mendicuti Loría, finalized with the interview, emphasizing
that he fulfilled himself the 80 percent of the goal of the
construction of 25 thousand houses in the present administration that
will arrive at its aim next the 10 from April, every time 10 thousands
are lists, 6 thousands in its final stage, previous of private
developers and other 4 thousands that were of autoconstrucción in the
diverse colonies in growth in the municipal head.
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This is very disturbing to me because this is my favorite beach area in Playa, and my wife and I go to this area every time we are down. although we have been there only during the day, I have always been a little uncomfortable because of the sign posted at the edge of the Gala property stating that they could not ensure your safety beyond this point. I realize this happens more around here where I live than it does there. Sure hope they find who did it!



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Not so much Mexican Law as Mexican newspapers, especially Por Esto, and the printed edition is worse than the electronic version. Any photos they can get, any rumor, if they think it will sell the paper gets printed. In most of these cases facts are mixed with fiction to enhance the story.
Thanks for the heads up...I just hope they get it solved for peace of mind!

I agree with many of you that it does not make PDC any less safe, as sad as it might be, these things happen everywhere now.
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I definitely thought of the husband first. It would be interesting to see if there was any followup on this.
This was my thought too. Sadly most murders are commited by someone the victim knows. A couple of other points....
I wonder how long she had been "missing" before the husband reported her missing.
I give the Police credit for even searching for her that night. I think you'd have trouble around here to get the police to start a search for an adult that had only been missing a few hours.
That was the weekend that a Mexican holiday started and there was a large influx of Mexicans, (and american springbreakers),many of them sleep right on the beach.
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