Sandra Day O'Connor Resigns

NorthMinnesota · 07-01-2005

What a surprise! I'm thinking a conservative nominee will change the complexion of the Supreme Court!

Babaloo · 07-01-2005

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Originally Posted by NorthMinnesota

What a surprise! I'm thinking a conservative nominee will change the complexion of the Supreme Court!

Hasn't been a good term for Dubya to get nominees through. Get ready for a long, drawn out fight. Fortunately (for some of us), Senator Arlen Spector (Rep-PA) and Chairman of Judiciary Committee has some clout and is definitely a moderate. He has few fans among the right wingers.
I'll take a moderate.

NorthMinnesota · 07-01-2005

She was definitely a centrist. Personally would like to see another woman. Early odds are on a Hispanic nominee.

Jacko · 07-01-2005

Uh-Oh!

NorthMinnesota · 07-01-2005

George didn't have much to say during news conference. Think this was a big surprise!

**ryberg** · 07-01-2005

Speaking of things that remind one of FDR...

Steve

MWC · 07-01-2005

Maybe she's putting herself forward as a sacrificial lamb to see what sort of fight W will have when it comes time to name a new Chief Justice?
And/or she knew the fight to replace Rehnquist will be so bloody and drawnout, she wanted to get while the getting was good -- no justice is going to want to leave while there's any turmoil associated with replacing Rehnquist.

Yeah, a conservative nominee and the likely promotion of Scalia to the Chief Justice will change the complexion of the court dramatically.

trog · 07-01-2005

Hi, I am actually hac in a new incarnation. Can you say nuclear option?:p

BonnyW · 07-01-2005

Skeery.

**ryberg** · 07-01-2005

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Originally Posted by MWC

Yeah, a conservative nominee and the likely promotion of Scalia to the Chief Justice will change the complexion of the court dramatically.

Wow, you gotta be standing way on over to the right of where I'm standing to see room for dramatic change further to the right!

Steve

MikeW · 07-01-2005

The replacement of Rehnquist (who is already conservative), with a conservative won't change the court much. The replacement of O'Conner, a centrist, with a conservative will start the push of the court to the extreme right but won't get it there.

One more replacement of a centrist or liberal after those to are replaced would put the court over the edge.

I think the replacement of O'Conner will start the battles, more so than the replacement of Rehnquist.

**ryberg** · 07-01-2005

Well I do think attempts to load the court with those of certain political beliefs (that was what my FDR reference was about, incidentally, if that was too telegraphic) have been shown to be not very successful as the justices have historically shown a tendency to go their own way rather more than their nominating presidents might like after being put in place. And I can certainly see more moderate tendencies in O'Connor than in Rhenquist, for example.

However I think the past couple of decades have seen a considerable shift to the right in the U.S. with respect to the meanings of the words liberal, moderate, conservative such that they appear to me now to indicate what we used to indicate with the words moderate, conservative, reactionary in the past, respectively.

I know this may shock many people, at least based on the continual use of the word and railing against the beliefs it is seen to represent, but I'm hard pressed to find anyone in office or the public eye in the U.S. today who to my mind is accurately described with the word liberal. For example, a true liberal to me doesn't even give a second thought to debating a proposition to guarantee health care for everyone, as doing that is a given without any discussion necessary to any true liberal.

Steve

mckinzie · 07-01-2005

Steve when did you move back to the states.

trog · 07-01-2005

I am a conservative and am for universal health care. The problem is that in the US people demand every cutting edge treatment all of the time and without rationing costs could not be contained. I know people that get monthly pet and ct scans. Also Americans demand diagnosis and treatment in a timely fashion. I am not familiar with the Canadian or other models, however it seems like the waiting period to see a doctor is quite long at times. I fear that the people screaming the loudest for universal health care will be the same people screaming the loudest once they have universal health care. It reminds me of when the FDA fast tracked the drug approval process and you had people saying that the government was killing us because they were not approving drugs fast enough. I would make a wager that many of these same people are now screaming about the government killing us because we are approving drugs too fast. anyway, let the games begin. I love politics, its a lot like pro wrestling or the christian broadcast network, good for a laugh but not to be taken seriously.

Jacko · 07-01-2005

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Originally Posted by ryberg

Well I do think attempts to load the court with those of certain political beliefs (that was what my FDR reference was about, incidentally, if that was too telegraphic) have been shown to be not very successful as the justices have historically shown a tendency to go their own way rather more than their nominating presidents might like after being put in place. And I can certainly see more moderate tendencies in O'Connor than in Rhenquist, for example.

However I think the past couple of decades have seen a considerable shift to the right in the U.S. with respect to the meanings of the words liberal, moderate, conservative such that they appear to me now to indicate what we used to indicate with the words moderate, conservative, reactionary in the past, respectively.

I know this may shock many people, at least based on the continual use of the word and railing against the beliefs it is seen to represent, but I'm hard pressed to find anyone in office or the public eye in the U.S. today who to my mind is accurately described with the word liberal. For example, a true liberal to me doesn't even give a second thought to debating a proposition to guarantee health care for everyone, as doing that is a given without any discussion necessary to any true liberal.

Steve

Well said! But I must say that I believe the reactionary left still exists in some sectors and these are usually the folks that the reactionary right are calling liberals and/or Democrats. The Democrats have moved further to the right since Clinton's success in getting elected and his "takeover" of the Democratic Leadership Council. Of course, the reactionary right would not agree with this.

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NorthMinnesota añejo Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Minnesota Posts: 5,599	Sandra Day O'Connor Resigns What a surprise! I'm thinking a conservative nominee will change the complexion of the Supreme Court!

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ryberg playa maya guy Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: wandering between the Village Vanguard, NYC, 1961 and the Plugged Nickel, Chicago, 1965 Posts: 10,258	Well I do think attempts to load the court with those of certain political beliefs (that was what my FDR reference was about, incidentally, if that was too telegraphic) have been shown to be not very successful as the justices have historically shown a tendency to go their own way rather more than their nominating presidents might like after being put in place. And I can certainly see more moderate tendencies in O'Connor than in Rhenquist, for example. However I think the past couple of decades have seen a considerable shift to the right in the U.S. with respect to the meanings of the words liberal, moderate, conservative such that they appear to me now to indicate what we used to indicate with the words moderate, conservative, reactionary in the past, respectively. I know this may shock many people, at least based on the continual use of the word and railing against the beliefs it is seen to represent, but I'm hard pressed to find anyone in office or the public eye in the U.S. today who to my mind is accurately described with the word liberal. For example, a true liberal to me doesn't even give a second thought to debating a proposition to guarantee health care for everyone, as doing that is a given without any discussion necessary to any true liberal. Steve Last edited by ryberg : 07-01-2005 at 12:56 PM.

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07-01-2005	#3 (permalink)
NorthMinnesota añejo Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Minnesota Posts: 5,599	She was definitely a centrist. Personally would like to see another woman. Early odds are on a Hispanic nominee.

07-01-2005	#4 (permalink)
Jacko añejo Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 17,796	Uh-Oh!

07-01-2005	#5 (permalink)
NorthMinnesota añejo Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Minnesota Posts: 5,599	George didn't have much to say during news conference. Think this was a big surprise!

07-01-2005	#6 (permalink)
ryberg playa maya guy Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: wandering between the Village Vanguard, NYC, 1961 and the Plugged Nickel, Chicago, 1965 Posts: 10,258	Speaking of things that remind one of FDR... Steve

07-01-2005	#7 (permalink)
MWC añejo Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Connecticut Posts: 5,757	Maybe she's putting herself forward as a sacrificial lamb to see what sort of fight W will have when it comes time to name a new Chief Justice? And/or she knew the fight to replace Rehnquist will be so bloody and drawnout, she wanted to get while the getting was good -- no justice is going to want to leave while there's any turmoil associated with replacing Rehnquist. Yeah, a conservative nominee and the likely promotion of Scalia to the Chief Justice will change the complexion of the court dramatically.

07-01-2005	#8 (permalink)
trog bonehead Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: minnesota Posts: 169	Hi, I am actually hac in a new incarnation. Can you say nuclear option?:p

07-01-2005	#9 (permalink)
BonnyW añejo Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Left Coast...So Cal Posts: 8,615	Skeery.

07-01-2005	#11 (permalink)
MikeW añejo Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Moorpark, CA Posts: 9,025	The replacement of Rehnquist (who is already conservative), with a conservative won't change the court much. The replacement of O'Conner, a centrist, with a conservative will start the push of the court to the extreme right but won't get it there. One more replacement of a centrist or liberal after those to are replaced would put the court over the edge. I think the replacement of O'Conner will start the battles, more so than the replacement of Rehnquist.

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mckinzie lightweight Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Highland Village,Tx (Kinz Standard Time) Posts: 13,551	Steve when did you move back to the states.

07-01-2005	#14 (permalink)
trog bonehead Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: minnesota Posts: 169	I am a conservative and am for universal health care. The problem is that in the US people demand every cutting edge treatment all of the time and without rationing costs could not be contained. I know people that get monthly pet and ct scans. Also Americans demand diagnosis and treatment in a timely fashion. I am not familiar with the Canadian or other models, however it seems like the waiting period to see a doctor is quite long at times. I fear that the people screaming the loudest for universal health care will be the same people screaming the loudest once they have universal health care. It reminds me of when the FDA fast tracked the drug approval process and you had people saying that the government was killing us because they were not approving drugs fast enough. I would make a wager that many of these same people are now screaming about the government killing us because we are approving drugs too fast. anyway, let the games begin. I love politics, its a lot like pro wrestling or the christian broadcast network, good for a laugh but not to be taken seriously.

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