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Old 08-08-2005   #1 (permalink)
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Does anyone have experience with local palaperos that they would recommend for price and quality? We'll be building at Sacbe and I'd like to get a palapa built as a starting point. We'll add to and finish ourselves.
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It took my palaperos over 2 months to finish a 30m2 palapa with guano. I can put you into contact with them. The did a good job and are trustworthy, but slow..

Delays are mostly about money. As soon as you give them an advance to buy equipment or material they tend to use the money for other and īmore urgentī purposes. But without the anticipio they can not continue, so what to do....

The other thing was the hardwood. Collecting it in the woods (fallen trunks), or buying them will either set you back moneywise or timewise. It is a lot of work to log a 5 meter hardwood trunk across junglegrond.

By the way, some people say that quano is in very short supply so you should use zacatte, which of course is more expensive, but will last you longer.

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Thanks for the reply Peter,
Is it the kind of thing I can get started when I'm down in December or is it better if I'm around to keep things going? I'll only be down for about 10 days this trip probably a month the next time. Is guano the palm that's endangered or some other type of leaf? Guano to me means bat shit and I don't think that's what you did your roof in- but maybe it would keep mosquitos away. I do think I would buy the posts/poles. Is that sort of thing secure at Sacbe if left on the property?
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It took my palaperos over 2 months to finish a 30m2 palapa with guano. I can put you into contact with them. The did a good job and are trustworthy, but slow..

Delays are mostly about money. As soon as you give them an advance to buy equipment or material they tend to use the money for other and īmore urgentī purposes. But without the anticipio they can not continue, so what to do....

The other thing was the hardwood. Collecting it in the woods (fallen trunks), or buying them will either set you back moneywise or timewise. It is a lot of work to log a 5 meter hardwood trunk across junglegrond.

By the way, some people say that quano is in very short supply so you should use zacatte, which of course is more expensive, but will last you longer.

Good luck.
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I would say that you need to be there or have somebody check on progress regularly. There will be many unexpected turns to keep you interested and on your toes. Zacatte is the best choice, but Guano is cheaper, nobody has ever told me about bats, so I dont know about that.
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Thanks for the reply Peter,
Is it the kind of thing I can get started when I'm down in December or is it better if I'm around to keep things going? I'll only be down for about 10 days this trip probably a month the next time. Is guano the palm that's endangered or some other type of leaf? Guano to me means bat shit and I don't think that's what you did your roof in- but maybe it would keep mosquitos away. I do think I would buy the posts/poles. Is that sort of thing secure at Sacbe if left on the property?
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Thanks Peter,
Hopefully we'll meet when I get down there. Guano is a product you can by up here as an organic fertilizer from birds and bats. I think Bill told me that zacatte was more environmentally friendly and their recommendation. Perhaps I can make arrangements when I come down in December. See you then.
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I would say that you need to be there or have somebody check on progress regularly. There will be many unexpected turns to keep you interested and on your toes. Zacatte is the best choice, but Guano is cheaper, nobody has ever told me about bats, so I dont know about that.
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Does anyone have experience with local palaperos that they would recommend for price and quality? We'll be building at Sacbe and I'd like to get a palapa built as a starting point. We'll add to and finish ourselves.
Hey Bill!

I am a presently having an 8 meter palapa built on my property and the following is a rundown on the prices...

Labour and wood (cut on the full moon eliminating/reducing the bug population) 15,000 pesos

Zacate (the grass for the roof) Guano is endangered and we at SacBe do not use endangered species to build with) 6,000 pesos (2.5 pesos per bunch).

Nails, string and other sundry items 400 pesos.

The palaperos promised to finish in almost a week but the zacate is wet and will not last as long as dry zacate so they have to wait for another delivery from Escarcega next Wednesday. I should be celebrating my new palapa next Saturday if all goes well!

The above prices do not include the floor and I am presently looking for quotes on finishing it with the rocks available on my land and a bit of cement...news at 11!!

I hope the aforementioned helps a little...if you have more questions, please don't hesitate to ask!

Nos vemos!
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Is that an 8 meter diameter round palapa. If you're satified with their work I'd love to get the names and contact information. I'm coming for the solstice celebration in December and hope to make arrangement for building a palapa of similar size and composting toilet. Got information on builders for those from the eco people in Akumal. I think since I'll only be there portions of the year that is probably my best bet. Where's your lot if I can ask? We're up top of Tohoku park on the little path. Thanks again,
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Hey Bill!

I am a presently having an 8 meter palapa built on my property and the following is a rundown on the prices...

Labour and wood (cut on the full moon eliminating/reducing the bug population) 15,000 pesos

Zacate (the grass for the roof) Guano is endangered and we at SacBe do not use endangered species to build with) 6,000 pesos (2.5 pesos per bunch).

Nails, string and other sundry items 400 pesos.

The palaperos promised to finish in almost a week but the zacate is wet and will not last as long as dry zacate so they have to wait for another delivery from Escarcega next Wednesday. I should be celebrating my new palapa next Saturday if all goes well!

The above prices do not include the floor and I am presently looking for quotes on finishing it with the rocks available on my land and a bit of cement...news at 11!!

I hope the aforementioned helps a little...if you have more questions, please don't hesitate to ask!

Nos vemos!
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Hey flowerBill,

The palapa is octagonal and is 8 meters across...4 from the center. So far I'm quite satisfied with the work...I'll let you know when it's finished next week...maybe even post a picture or two. I am also building a compost toilet for my workers who live on my land, an artist friend of mine is building it. The location of your lot is one of the best in SacBe...my lot is above/on Kaaxil-Ha Park!

Anything I can do to help just let me know...it's much easier for me since I live in SacBe!!

Look forward to seeing you at the Solstice Festival in December!

Best regards, Lynn
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Hey Lynn,
How things going with the palapa, I'm anxious to see/hear about it. Spend a good deal of time up here daydreaming about sacbe and getting started. Real curious to hear about your palapa as I was thinking of going with either an 8 to 10 meter diameter palapa and finishing myself, although I may try to have someone make stone half walls for me and will definitely contract for concrete floor. I found a place near Merida that still makes the old "pasta tiles" like in the colonial homes there. My wife and I both love that look so I'll probably splurge on that and install myself once we move down. Might be a strange mix, thatch roof and colonial tile floor but we'll just pick and choose what we like.
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Hey Bill!

Well, the palapa roof is finished and it's HUGE...eight meters is very big! This is toooo much fun! Your stone half wall idea is the same as mine...mind reader!...I don't think you'll have a difficult time finding someone to build it for you...they are quite popular here. Isn't it nice to have the materials right there on your land to build with!

I also had the palaperos cut extra wood and will be building a pergola on the sunny side of my palapa...you know, the shade roof made with sticks?

That's it for now, I'll post pix when I have them downloaded.

Keep day dreaming and stay tuned...
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Hey Bill!

Well, the palapa roof is finished and it's HUGE...eight meters is very big! This is toooo much fun! Your stone half wall idea is the same as mine...mind reader!...I don't think you'll have a difficult time finding someone to build it for you...they are quite popular here. Isn't it nice to have the materials right there on your land to build with!

I also had the palaperos cut extra wood and will be building a pergola on the sunny side of my palapa...you know, the shade roof made with sticks?

That's it for now, I'll post pix when I have them downloaded.

Keep day dreaming and stay tuned...
Hello Lynn,
I've been a silent follower of this thread (and fellow SacBe traveller) and am curious as to how it has all turned out - the palapa, the pergola, the satisfaction. We too are in the Tohoku park vecinity and will be there for festival. Would enjoy any pictures, if you've downloaded any yet. Angel
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If I bring down or purchase some tools for working on our property in December, is there anyone willing to store them for me in exchange for their use or for a fee? I'm thinking small chainsaw, mortar pan and mixing hoe, wheelbarrow, loppers, machete hammer etc. I don't know that I'll get a structure up the 1st trip to store them securely.

Thanks, Bill

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Storage will not be a problem for you Bill. I am sure we can find a place for your tools. We are all looking forward to seeing you again soon!
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I'm curious Bill what happens if I get the red light and they find chainsaw, tools etc? Do they seize them, charge import duty orsome other. Bill
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As an update to those that follow this thread, I was at Sacbe for 11 days with my brother-in-law. We camped at the site. First nite or two were rough until we got some land cleared and were able to better level the ground for the tents and get things set for a comfortable camp. Jose Louis hooked us up with a young man who helped clearing the lot. We left some of the perimeter of the property with trees, bushes unthinned as a buffer. Also, left most trees over three inches in diameter- wow what a wide range of plants there are. I'm a horticulturist, but live up north so almost everything is new to me. We started labeling trees with pieces of soda cans on strings.

Got a good case of Chechen (like poison ivy on steroids). Walter, a very nice fellow who lives there and works for Ted took pity on me and came by one evening and cut down all the Chechen on the property. Bill, Lynn and everyone else coached me on treating my blisters with sap from the Chaka. It really does work. The blisters were largely dried up in a little over a week.
I still have some scabs from it but not a big problem. My advice to anyone else who plans on camping and clearing would be to find a place to stay the first two nights and work clearing the site as needed and building/setting up a camp before you stay there your first night. By the way the bugs weren't bad.

Also on the property we found several large zapote logs that are still solid and useful that were remnants of the 1982 fire. We'll probably use them for porch poles. We also found to our delight that the southwest corner of our lot is covered with numerous holes going to what appears to be underground caves. We were able to get one hole opened up by burning wood in it (this softens the limestone). We didn't get to go in and explore though as there were still hot coals at the bottom when we left.

Our last day was the first day of the festival- it was great. Wish we could have been there both days. The park is looking great, we swam there everyday at about 11 AM. The water was great after getting hot and sweaty working. Generally worked until 11 each AM and then took Fred siteseeing- it was his first trip to the area.

We loved getting to know everyone we met there. Thanks to all of you for being so friendly and helpful. Lynn, I have some shots of your palapa if you would like, I'll post them. Contact me here with a PM and I'll send you my direct email. If others that follow this thread have questions, feel free to post- I love thinking about the whole thing. There were times I just sat on the big zapote log at our site and gazed at the trees, plants, land. It is very beautiful and I'm delighted more than ever that we decided to become a part of Sacbe. Probably not right for everybody, but it's near perfect for us.
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