Tookie..

[Daddy B]

Originally Posted by Seakony

Dear Tookie:

Hasta la vista baby!!

You're counting on ending up in the same place as Tokie?!

[TonyHD]

Originally Posted by Daddy B

Disposal of what? By killing him the system is simply stating to all and sundry that death is an effective way of overcoming a problem. It doesn't actually solve anything, or does it?
You said it yourself: it's a vicious circle with no solution in sight and an endless pit for swallowing money better spent more constructively, such as in alleviating the poverty, ignorance and fanaticism that is the cause of so much crime.

Has anyone gauged how many kids this man might have weaned off a criminal life and a murderous career (I think this is much harder to do than playing tough and pulling a trigger)? If he has influenced at least one, I think he merits some credit before he's put to death.

Disposal of human waste.

This person had and has nothing to offer society. He had his chance just like you and I. He knew the laws and the consequences of his actions before he committed his heinous crimes. He committed them anyway. Yes he may have changed his ways in prison, however; he had no choice. As far as I am concerned, too bad, too little, too late. If he were not in prison the last 26 years, chances are he would not have been writing children’s books and coaching kids out of gangs. He would be an LA scumbag street thug. Killing, raping and dealing drugs directly or indirectly. There are bad people out there. Always have been and always will be. You’re right it’s a viscous circle and an endless pit for swallowing money. But “it” is the solution. The only reason it is a money pit is because scum like tookie are allowed to live off my back for 26 years. The system takes too long. There is nothing else to do with these people, except send them to Old Europe. You want him, hurry up. You have less than seven hours. Perhaps you can turn him into a law-abiding citizen. I am going out to Christmas shop with my wife. When I return, I will go to bed and when I wake tomorrow there will be one less scumbag on this planet.

Nighty night tookie, and your welcome for the last twenty six years of life I assisted in supporting.

[Daddy B]

Originally Posted by TonyHD

Disposal of human waste.

...except send them to Old Europe.

Tookie is a product of the society you helped to create, and in your society he must stay. Where best than amongst those who, like him, see only death as the solution?

[Seakony]

Originally Posted by Daddy B

Tookie is a product of the society you helped to create, and in your society he must stay. Where best than amongst those who, like him, see only death as the solution?

Why don't you fix things then??? Put his blame on the rest of us...how wise you are..not!

[TonyHD]

Originally Posted by Daddy B

Tookie is a product of the society you helped to create, and in your society he must stay. Where best than amongst those who, like him, see only death as the solution?

I can appreciate your opinion.

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But the fact remains, tookie is scum and he will die like scum just like the other scum standing in line. Like it or not, there will be one less scumbag on the planet tomorrow. And for that, I am very grateful.

[Doggiemom]

If you do the crime then you must do the time, and time he has done for the last 26 years at the taxpayers expense! Enough already! What took them so long?

[TAPPY]

Fuuny how no one remembers the victims of his crimes, just poor ole Tookie. I wonder how they would feel if they read this thread.....

[Doggiemom]

Originally Posted by TAPPY

Fuuny how no one remembers the victims of his crimes, just poor ole Tookie. I wonder how they would feel if they read this thread.....

(yes, poor old Tookie, boo freakin hoo!)

[Boelter]

Originally Posted by TAPPY

Fuuny how no one remembers the victims of his crimes, just poor ole Tookie. I wonder how they would feel if they read this thread.....

I'm against the death penalty. When I think about it, I always try to understand it from the perspective of a victim. But I can't help but think of it as revenge and that our justice system really shouldn't be in the business of revenge.

[roni]

If you have try to take something positive out of the execution, I would suggest trying this.

View it as his last anti-gang activity - a dying demonstration of one possible outcome of living a life the way he lived his. That should be a take-away point, and one that should be talked about over the next days by civic, religious, political and moral leaders - regardless of their position on the execution of convicted criminals by the state.

[Jacko]

Originally Posted by Boelter

I'm against the death penalty. When I think about it, I always try to understand it from the perspective of a victim. But I can't help but think of it as revenge and that our justice system really shouldn't be in the business of revenge.

Oh no! Here we go again I thought we played this out over and over again here ?

[TonyHD]

Originally Posted by TAPPY

Fuuny how no one remembers the victims of his crimes, just poor ole Tookie. I wonder how they would feel if they read this thread.....

Tookie was condemned in 1981 for gunning down a clerk in a convenience store holdup and a mother, father and daughter in a motel robbery less than two weeks later.

Tookie killed four people because he was a product of an environment I helped to create. Therefore, in spite of his crimes, he should be allowed to live out his days in a federal penitentiary at the expense of all good law abiding citizens, including the suvivors of the his victims.
Oh sh*t, I just spilled my drink

Once the media is done with this, Sharpton and Jackson will blab on for a while and soon, know one will remember him either. And then Texas will dispose of another one then Florida and so on.

[Boelter]

Sorry. My point is that no matter what he did, a victim's response is emotional and the state's response shouldn't be. That's all.

Originally Posted by Jacko

Oh no! Here we go again I thought we played this out over and over again here ?

[bufante]

Originally Posted by MikeW

He also to the end still follows some gang beliefs. He refused to be debriefed by prison officials, who wanted to find out how gangs can continue to operate behind prison walls. He compared being debriefed to being a "Snitch".

How can you in one hand speak to children about the dangers of gangs and then not help authorities with understanding their organization in an effort to help them (law enforcement) fight gangs?

DaddyB, I like your point of view, you ask very appropriate questions that do make me think, but I guess I hardly agree with you? Last night you and I discussed trust, your belief was that the government was not to be trusted and we both agreed that the media is way untrustworthy...why do you believe that Tookie has reformed and has meant to do well?

I for one do not believe him, I believe it is a natural human reaction to save yourself, and that in my opinion is what he is doing...he's in prison all he has time to do is save himself, I am not convinced he means it. And i read several of the links posted here.

EDIT: I thought the clemancy request was weak...he needs a new lawyer at the very least (as if he is paying for it anyway). You are asking for clemancy but still raising trail issues? As if several appeal courts didn't have a chance to resolve those? It weakens his arguement in my opinion.

[JudyBluEyes]

Originally Posted by TonyHD

Therefore, in spite of his crimes, he should be allowed to live out his days in a federal penitentiary at the expense of all good law abiding citizens, including the suvivors of the his victims.

The only reason it is a money pit is because scum like tookie are allowed to live off my back for 26 years

will occupy the cage in which he has been living off my federal tax dollars for the last 26 years. This new scumbag will then live off my federal tax dollars

OK, you keep saying this so I wanted to correct you on one point. San Quinten is not a federal penitentiary, it is a state penitentiary. You have not been supporting tookie because you don't live in California. OK, back to your debate.