What is with these crappy search results?

[james]

Originally Posted by tommy

....its all about the all mighty dollar!

bullshit.

this is a war, guys. it's between the manipulators (black hat SEOs) and the algorithm writers.

the Google PR shifts around every 28 days or so. as new attacks are implemented, new defenses go up.

one thing they still have right, though, is a Google of failure.

edit: if you don't know what a black hat seo is, or what google pr is, then, well, Google it!

[tommy]

I knew we would get the geek version and now I truely understand what the problem is...I forgot about the Black Hat SEOs and those wonky algorithm writers...Im glad you put me in my place James...I was really just way off I guess...It has nothing to do with the all mighty dollar now does it...I forget its a free search engine!!!...What was I thinking...That stock price is just all paper anyway isnt it...no reason for anyone to try to take a shot at the title....Darn SEOs!!!! Bastards!!!

[sctx]

wow James, sounds like the first Terminator movie

[JimmyMN]

Yes, kind of like wading through a pool of sewage to find a diamond.

Even with such massive advertising fluff, Google is still is way better than being without. And... it's better than the competition! Eventually they'll get fat and lazy and some new whiz kids will come along and dethrone them. In time, I'm guessing most of this stuff will probably be fee based anyway. I'd personally rather pay than deal with an advertising onslaught.

Jiimmy

[tommy]

Originally Posted by james

bullshit.

this is a war, guys. it's between the manipulators (black hat SEOs) and the algorithm writers.

the Google PR shifts around every 28 days or so. as new attacks are implemented, new defenses go up.

one thing they still have right, though, is a Google of failure.

edit: if you don't know what a black hat seo is, or what google pr is, then, well, Google it!

This makes more sense!!
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In mathematics and computer science an algorithm (the word is derived from the name of the Persian mathematician Al-Khwarizmi) is a finite set of well-defined instructions for accomplishing some task which, given an initial state, will terminate in a corresponding recognizable end-state (contrast with heuristic). Algorithms can be implemented by computer programs, although often in restricted forms; mistakes in implementation and limitations of the computer can prevent a computer program from correctly executing its intended algorithm.

The concept of an algorithm is often illustrated by the example of a recipe, although many algorithms are much more complex; algorithms often have steps that repeat (iterate) or require decisions (such as logic or comparison). Correctly performing an algorithm will not solve a problem if the algorithm is flawed or not appropriate to the problem. For example, a hypothetical algorithm for making a potato salad will fail if there are no potatoes present, even if all the motions of preparing the salad are performed as if the potatoes were there.

Different algorithms may complete the same task with a different set of instructions in more or less time, space, or effort than others. For example, given two different recipes for making potato salad, one may have peel the potato before boil the potato while the other presents the steps in the reverse order, yet they both call for these steps to be repeated for all potatoes and end when the potato salad is ready to be eaten.

Certain countries, such as the USA, controversially allow some algorithms to be patented, provided a physical embodiment is possible (for example, a multiplication algorithm may be embodied in the arithmetic unit of a microprocessor).


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Search engine optimization (SEO) is a set of methods aimed at improving the ranking of a website in search engine listings. The term also refers to an industry of consultants that carry out optimization projects on behalf of clients' sites.

Using search engines, visitors can find sites in a variety of ways: via paid-for advertisements in the search engine results pages (SERPs), via third parties who are listed in the search engines, or via "organic" listings, i.e. the results the search engines present users. SEO is primarily concerned with improving the visibility of a site in the organic search results.

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Not all sites have identical goals in mind when they optimize for search engines. Some sites are seeking any and all traffic, and may be optimized to rank highly for common search phrase. This can be a poor marketing strategy for a business because it can generate a large volume of low-quality inquiries that cost money to handle, yet result in little business. The "shotgun approach" to search optimization can possibly work well for a site that has broad interest, such as a periodical, a directory, or site that displays advertising with a CPM revenue model.

Other sites target a specific population, with particular needs or interests. Many businesses try to optimize their sites for large numbers of highly specific keywords that indicate a prospective customer who is ready to buy their product. Focusing on desired traffic can generate more high-quality sales leads, and fewer time-wasting inquiries.

[tommy]

Originally Posted by JimmyMN

Yes, kind of like wading through a pool of sewage to find a diamond.

Even with such massive advertising fluff, Google is still is way better than being without. And... it's better than the competition! Eventually they'll get fat and lazy and some new whiz kids will come along and dethrone them. In time, I'm guessing most of this stuff will probably be fee based anyway. I'd personally rather pay than deal with an advertising onslaught.

Jiimmy

I thought this was a war....Nothing to do with the all mighty dollar?????

[JimmyMN]

Originally Posted by tommy

I thought this was a war....Nothing to do with the all mighty dollar?????

Yes and No...

Bottom line... it's all about masterminding Google's technology to work towards your benefit, if you're a merchant looking to use their search engine as a marketing tool. I'm sure a sizeable amount of cash could influence or twist those algorithms a bit.

Jimmy

[tommy]

so it is about money then?????

[JimmyMN]

Originally Posted by tommy

so it is about money then?????

I'd say it's less about the money. They still have standards to uphold and certainly wouldn't compromise them significantly. Last thing they'd want is to be viewed as MSN! That would be sacriligious...

Sounds like you need to work on your searching skills to eliminate those advertisers.

Jimmy

[james]

if it were about the money, then the top adsense bidders (the guys that show up on the right hand side of Google) would also get top-ranked for their investment, wouldn't you think? this is easily proven to not be the case.

Just because a company is for profit doesn't mean that their core business (searches) if biased and influenced by anything but relevancy, at least as far as their algorithm is concerned.