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Old 06-12-2006   #1 (permalink)
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"Canadian" code word for poor tipping minorities?

I've never heard of the term "Canadian" being used as a code word by restaurant workers for poor tipping minorites.

About 10 years ago, I was in a restaurant in eastern Washington near the Canadian border. When the waitress sat us at our table, a guy in my group told her that we weren't "Canadians." She started laughing. My friend who use to work as a waiter told me that Canadians have a bad reputation as poor or non-tippers. He just wanted to make sure that she knew we weren't Canadians so we'd get good service and to make sure she didn't spit in our food. I'm some what surprised that it's now being used to negatively paint minorites as "Canadians." I guess it might be more politically correct.

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It is a shame that people get labeled with code words to indicate poor tippers. My SIL was in the restaurant business and she used to tell us that in general, she could define by ethnic classes how well they tipped.
It is just really a shame because the work of a few can pass along generalizations about the many.
I consider myself a good tipper. I try to make my standard 20% of the check total (including all taxes) if the service was average to slightly above average. 15% if it was poor service even though I feel like giving less. I know how small of an hourly wage servers receive so I feel too guilty if I was to leave less than that. If I receive exceptional service, I will leave 25+ %.
I have a couple of relatives that I sometimes feel slightly embarrased about leaving the table at a restaurant with because I know they are poor tippers. My grandfather would tip $1 per person at the table regardless of the check amount. This would even be when he would take out a party of 12 of us to a nice restaurant where I am sure the bill was $200 or more. If he saw us leaving additional tip (propina) on the table, he would get offended. So, we would sneak it in there. I don't know if he was cheap or if it was a generational thing. Another relative feels that 10% is adequate for everything.
Tipping is a personal choice as far as the amount to leave. I associate the word TIPS with the "To Insure (ensure) Proper Service". Hopefully I get it. What irritates me is when a terrible server believes they are entitled to a tip and doesn't put forth the effort to "earn" their tip.
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It is a shame that people get labeled with code words to indicate poor tippers. My SIL was in the restaurant business and she used to tell us that in general, she could define by ethnic classes how well they tipped.
It is just really a shame because the work of a few can pass along generalizations about the many.
I consider myself a good tipper. I try to make my standard 20% of the check total (including all taxes) if the service was average to slightly above average. 15% if it was poor service even though I feel like giving less. I know how small of an hourly wage servers receive so I feel too guilty if I was to leave less than that. If I receive exceptional service, I will leave 25+ %.
I have a couple of relatives that I sometimes feel slightly embarrased about leaving the table at a restaurant with because I know they are poor tippers. My grandfather would tip $1 per person at the table regardless of the check amount. This would even be when he would take out a party of 12 of us to a nice restaurant where I am sure the bill was $200 or more. If he saw us leaving additional tip (propina) on the table, he would get offended. So, we would sneak it in there. I don't know if he was cheap or if it was a generational thing. Another relative feels that 10% is adequate for everything.
Tipping is a personal choice as far as the amount to leave. I associate the word TIPS with the "To Insure (ensure) Proper Service". Hopefully I get it. What irritates me is when a terrible server believes they are entitled to a tip and doesn't put forth the effort to "earn" their tip.
It's all about the service.....(see highlighted above) But as far as people being labelled before they even sit down at a table is a complete shame.... Especially, when they are calling them "CANADIANS". I find that just plain ignorant. There are many people out there who cannot afford to even go out for dinner, so it may be a treat for some to finally go out and enjoy a nice meal. To then have some "ignorant" waiter/waitress "expect" a great big tip on top of the bill they can barely afford to pay is just outrageous.....Try walking a mile in "their" shoes before making greedy assumptions......If they don't like it, I say, then find another job.
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It's all about the service.....(see highlighted above) But as far as people being labelled before they even sit down at a table is a complete shame.... Especially, when they are calling them "CANADIANS". I find that just plain ignorant. There are many people out there who cannot afford to even go out for dinner, so it may be a treat for some to finally go out and enjoy a nice meal. To then have some "ignorant" waiter/waitress "expect" a great big tip on top of the bill they can barely afford to pay is just outrageous.....Try walking a mile in "their" shoes before making greedy assumptions......If they don't like it, I say, then find another job.
Affording a meal should include the tip. If not, then one still can't afford it. Waiters work for tips. It has nothing to do with "greed." It is how they are compensated for the work they do. I am sure that they would like to be able to afford to eat out, as well.
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I dated a cocktail waitress for a couple of years when I was in college. Lawyers were notoriously poor tippers (as a group) in that town.
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Tips on To-Gos

Since we are on the topic of tipping, I am curious about anyone's thoughts on the following two items: (Hopefully I am not deviating too much from Sojo-Mojo's original intent for the thread).

1) Tipping for To-Go orders. The scenario I speak of is when you call in an order, you drive to the restaurant, you go inside to the bar or pickup window, they ring you up, hand you a bag, and say thanks. Do you tip? and if so, how much?

A friend of mine who worked for O'Charley's said they would get upset with customers (though not to their face) when they came to pick up to-go orders and did not leave a tip.

If I am at Outback or Chilis or one of the places where they bring the food to you (Curbside Delivery), I tip a buck or two and sometimes I tip when I go in, but personally, I don't feel that I should "have to tip" to for going in and picking up my food.

2) Tipping at Fast Food drive-ups (not drive throughs)? This would be for places like Sonic (the burger joint where you drive up, push the button, order off the menu, and they bring the food in bag to your car. You CAN'T go in. ) Should you tip?

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I think someone is getting their "Canadians" confused with their "Italians"
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I always tip at places like sonic....and I am usually just getting a slush.
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I always tip at places like sonic....and I am usually just getting a slush.
I guess the biggest thing that gets me about tipping at sonic is that say you order a slush and the total comes to $1.18. Unless you have a pile of change around, you typically have $2.00. So, do you tip the 82 cents? I often do, but I run into the dilema of "Dang, my Dollar slushy just turned into a Two dollar slushy" vs "I could tip you 25 cents, which is 22% of the check, but I just feel like a cheap-skate".
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yep..I know what you mean....I usually get one at happy hour which brings the price to about 75 cents. I give them 1.50....which it would have been. Not much, I know....but then again, they do not come by and check on me, refill my drink, etc.
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I stopped by Dunkin' Donuts on Saturday (drive-up window), and got a coffee and a donut: Total $2.33. Gave her $3.00. My first job was at that same DD, and I can remember appreciating it whenever anyone left something for a tip, no matter how small.

I generally tip at every place I just pick up food - like a sub shop or chinese food. Either give the leftover change or toss a buck in the tip cup. I don't figure a percentage of the bill in those instances but always tip something.
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I've never heard of the term "Canadian" being used as a code word by restaurant workers for poor tipping minorites.

About 10 years ago, I was in a restaurant in eastern Washington near the Canadian border. When the waitress sat us at our table, a guy in my group told her that we weren't "Canadians." She started laughing. My friend who use to work as a waiter told me that Canadians have a bad reputation as poor or non-tippers. He just wanted to make sure that she knew we weren't Canadians so we'd get good service and to make sure she didn't spit in our food. I'm some what surprised that it's now being used to negatively paint minorites as "Canadians." I guess it might be more politically correct.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...233_jdl11.html
As a Canadian, I am offended by this. Canada is a big country and I think it is ridiculous to suggest that all Canadians do not tip well. I find that everyone I know tips very well. I worked as a waitress when I was in university and it was usually the tourists that didn't tip well. I think some thought it was included in the bill, such as people from England, and some just didn't tip well for whatever reason.
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Affording a meal should include the tip. If not, then one still can't afford it. Waiters work for tips. It has nothing to do with "greed." It is how they are compensated for the work they do. I am sure that they would like to be able to afford to eat out, as well.
I agree totally!! I worked in the restaurant/hotel business for almost 30 years and tipping is part of the deal when one goes out to eat! Although I have never heard the expression Canadian to describe someone who don't tip, Canadians do have the reputation among those in the business of being poor tippers! I'm not sure why, probably some of that "common knowledge" passed down from waitress to waitress. It's not as bad as the Australians or Italians though!! Hey, when your income depends on tips you learn very quickly which side your bread is buttered!!

Btw, the "rich" have a worse reputation than the Canadians, Australians, and Italians put together. The very best tippers were the working guys, although the women were getting better when I left...
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As a former long term (12 year) service industry employee, I can admit that we did have a "hierarchy" of tipping customers. For example, gay men tend to tip more than anyone else. I won't go into the rest of the categories, but the list was pretty accurate most of the time. This doesn't mean I didn't "expect" certain people to tip/not tip, I just wasn't surprised when it went down the way it did. But I was a very good server, of course. Can't speak for the slackers.
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As a Canadian, I am offended by this. Canada is a big country and I think it is ridiculous to suggest that all Canadians do not tip well. I find that everyone I know tips very well. I worked as a waitress when I was in university and it was usually the tourists that didn't tip well. I think some thought it was included in the bill, such as people from England, and some just didn't tip well for whatever reason.
I agree. WHo is saying this? Americans? Praps we need a more international poll of the service industry to find some more accurate results.

I've spoken to many people who have worked abroad, and never heard this. In fact, someone from this board told me a story of working as a waiter in England as a youth and how they would have young American customers come in, and they'd be messy, loud, obnoxious..but they'd tip well, so it wasn't too bad. Then they'd get these Canadians who were clean, quiet, polite...and still tip well!
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