Stem Cell Veto

StewartG · 07-21-2006

So Bush uses his VERY FIRST veto to veto the stem cell law. Most polls have 70% of Americans supporting stem cell research.

Just exactly how out of touch is this guy?

I even had a right wing republican friend of mine send me an unsolicited email basically letting me know this was the final straw for him - he is now officially disgusted with Bush.

For those who do not know, my son was born through IVF. Although, as it turns out, we did not have any frozen blastocysts left over at the end of the process, we would have been GLAD to have donated this tissue for research if it would have been able to help cure Parkinsons, diabetes, etc.!

When will this horrific nightmare end. '06 is a start and hopefully '08 will usher in a new age of enlightenment and end these dark ages in which we currently live.

Dallas91 · 07-21-2006

Not looking to get too much into a pro/anti Bush debate as that is a pretty lopsided debate these days, but a BIGGER problem is that there does not seem to be enough support to get the 2/3 majority vote to Override the Veto.
Guess it is still a pretty controversial issue. Personally, I would be pro for the stem cell research for a set period of time to prove that it can generate the necessary medical advancements (or even better, a breakthru) needed to fight some of these nasty diseases.

**sctx** · 07-21-2006

is there a difference between embryonic stem cells and cord blood stem cells???

PlayadelSoul · 07-21-2006

Its not like he outlawed the research. It can still be done, privately. As with many types of research, the Government won't be investing. Trying to make it into a "he doesn't care about my disease" issue, is pure politics. It will work, I am sure, as the proponents have framed the debate, well.

I could find 70% of the American public to agree with me on just about anything, if I phrased it right.

Dallas91 · 07-21-2006

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Originally Posted by sctx

is there a difference between embryonic stem cells and cord blood stem cells???

I know very little about it but this was a quick yahoo hit:
Stem Cells
and it says:
Recent research has shown that primitive stem cells from umbilical cord blood have similar powers and health promoting benefits as do embryonic stem cells but without the ethical and safety issues.

I have no idea about the autheniticity of the study.

Dallas91 · 07-21-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by PlayadelSoul

I could find 70% of the American public to agree with me on just about anything, if I phrased it right.

Agreed. I took a straw poll of 10 people and 7 agreed with me = 70% in agreement.

Dallas91 · 07-21-2006

I work for a children's research hospital so I am going to be a proponent of what does the most for those in need without having major "ethical" concerns.
Everyone is entitled to their opinions and beliefs and hopefully we are all of one mindset that we all want to find cures for disease. Unfortunately not everything is a black/white issue.

**sctx** · 07-21-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dallas91

I know very little about it but this was a quick yahoo hit:
Stem Cells
and it says:
Recent research has shown that primitive stem cells from umbilical cord blood have similar powers and health promoting benefits as do embryonic stem cells but without the ethical and safety issues.

I have no idea about the autheniticity of the study.

I'm pretty ignorant on the subject but if a stem cell is a stem cell, I think I'd vote for the cord cells......I mean, I get all freakin weepy when I drop and egg

**SunKneeMarie** · 07-21-2006

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Originally Posted by sctx

I'm pretty ignorant on the subject but if a stem cell is a stem cell, I think I'd vote for the cord cells......I mean, I get all freakin weepy when I drop and egg

so hormonal you are....

roni · 07-21-2006

I think we should have tissue farms

for when scott gets all weepy

Life_N_Cancun · 07-21-2006

Am I the only one who wanted to laugh hystarically when Bush said "every life is precious" ?

PlayadelSoul · 07-21-2006

It is a political issue, rather than a scientific one. Someone saw an opening and decided to push science that has not been proven worthwhile, because they can paint their opponent as "uncaring", if he votes against it. I am betting 70% of the American public doesn't even know what a stem cell is.

PlayadelSoul · 07-21-2006

Add to that, the fact that you can make abortion look a little more attractive, and you have a good midterm issue.
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/pp2...0-fetaltis.xml

The whole thing is so transparent, even I can see through it.

**sctx** · 07-21-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by SunKneeMarie

so hormonal you are....

I heard chicks dig guys with a feminine side..... just testing the waters

Dallas91 · 07-21-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by PlayadelSoul

Add to that, the fact that you can make abortion look a little more attractive, and you have a good midterm issue.

Man, I used to hate midterms. Now I just have to deal with performance reviews.

07-21-2006	#1 (permalink)
StewartG commie pinko Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: The Kremlin (when not at my dacha in Houston) Posts: 12,907	Stem Cell Veto So Bush uses his VERY FIRST veto to veto the stem cell law. Most polls have 70% of Americans supporting stem cell research. Just exactly how out of touch is this guy? I even had a right wing republican friend of mine send me an unsolicited email basically letting me know this was the final straw for him - he is now officially disgusted with Bush. For those who do not know, my son was born through IVF. Although, as it turns out, we did not have any frozen blastocysts left over at the end of the process, we would have been GLAD to have donated this tissue for research if it would have been able to help cure Parkinsons, diabetes, etc.! When will this horrific nightmare end. '06 is a start and hopefully '08 will usher in a new age of enlightenment and end these dark ages in which we currently live.

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07-21-2006	#2 (permalink)
Dallas91 añejo Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: In my own little world most of the time LOL Posts: 1,931	Not looking to get too much into a pro/anti Bush debate as that is a pretty lopsided debate these days, but a BIGGER problem is that there does not seem to be enough support to get the 2/3 majority vote to Override the Veto. Guess it is still a pretty controversial issue. Personally, I would be pro for the stem cell research for a set period of time to prove that it can generate the necessary medical advancements (or even better, a breakthru) needed to fight some of these nasty diseases.

07-21-2006	#3 (permalink)
sctx political anarchist Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Body in San Marcos Tx....Tankah in my mind Posts: 27,100	is there a difference between embryonic stem cells and cord blood stem cells???

07-21-2006	#4 (permalink)
PlayadelSoul Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Location: We'll know when we get there, We'll find mercy Posts: 8,965	Its not like he outlawed the research. It can still be done, privately. As with many types of research, the Government won't be investing. Trying to make it into a "he doesn't care about my disease" issue, is pure politics. It will work, I am sure, as the proponents have framed the debate, well. I could find 70% of the American public to agree with me on just about anything, if I phrased it right.

07-21-2006	#7 (permalink)
Dallas91 añejo Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: In my own little world most of the time LOL Posts: 1,931	I work for a children's research hospital so I am going to be a proponent of what does the most for those in need without having major "ethical" concerns. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and beliefs and hopefully we are all of one mindset that we all want to find cures for disease. Unfortunately not everything is a black/white issue.

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roni Happy Curmudgeon Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Oregon Posts: 25,340	I think we should have tissue farms for when scott gets all weepy

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Life_N_Cancun life=playa Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Cancún, Mexico Posts: 530	Am I the only one who wanted to laugh hystarically when Bush said "every life is precious" ?

07-21-2006	#12 (permalink)
PlayadelSoul Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Location: We'll know when we get there, We'll find mercy Posts: 8,965	It is a political issue, rather than a scientific one. Someone saw an opening and decided to push science that has not been proven worthwhile, because they can paint their opponent as "uncaring", if he votes against it. I am betting 70% of the American public doesn't even know what a stem cell is.

07-21-2006	#13 (permalink)
PlayadelSoul Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Location: We'll know when we get there, We'll find mercy Posts: 8,965	Add to that, the fact that you can make abortion look a little more attractive, and you have a good midterm issue. http://www.plannedparenthood.org/pp2...0-fetaltis.xml The whole thing is so transparent, even I can see through it.

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