Papa Don't Preach.....

[PlayadelSoul]

I'm keeping the baby.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/6075476.stm

[MWC]

What a PR nightmare this is turning out to be. I do wonder how complicit Madonna was in all this, or how much of a pushy prima donna she was -- do we know for sure? Or was the adoption entity cuttig corners on its own, for fear of pissing off a major patron?

I do think Madonna's funding of the orphanages is a wonderful thing for her to be doing. But I do not for a minute understand what the hell she thought she was doing with such a "drive-through" adoption.

Guess Angelina has a lot more wattage upstairs?

[NorthMinnesota]

Saw an interview on The View...info that they passed on was that Madonna had been interviewed, home study done and all papers filed per posted rules.

[Rissask]

Originally Posted by PlayadelSoul

I'm keeping the baby.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/6075476.stm

That's just heartbreaking. That poor man.

But oh well, Madonna has her status symbol.

Wouldn't it be nice if she did the right thing and made it so the father could afford to keep and raise his son.

[Seakony]

I think he just wants money for the baby. He DID leave the baby at the orphanage ......and was he really stupid enough to sign papers that he didn't know what they meant?

[Rissask]

Originally Posted by Seakony

I think he just wants money for the baby. He DID leave the baby at the orphanage ......and was he really stupid enough to sign papers that he didn't know what they meant?

He is illiterate so signing papers is meaningless.

Wife died and he couldn't afford to keep and feed the child, so he took it to the orphanage, hoping to get on his feet eventually and get the child back.

But too late! Madonna bought him. Do I sound like I am jaded when it comes to corrupt international adoptions, yep...there are too many cases like this.

[Ginger]

David was flown to Britain to live with Madonna after a Malawian judge granted her a temporary order to take him.

that right there proves that all the right procedures were NOT followed.

That poor father. She took advantage of him, as did the embassy officials she paid off.

Further confirms she's a wack-job.

[PlayadelSoul]

I am sitting on the fence with this one. Seems like Madonna was trying to do a good thing, and the father might be enjoying the publicity a little. I do think that if you are going to adopt a kid, you might want to check to make sure the parents are not in the picture. I also don't like the idea of overseas baby purchasing.

[TexasUSA]

My thoughts on all of this for what its worth. Angelina and Brad and their adoptions...I think it is great that they are willing to spend their resources and time to help out disadvantaged children. But isn't there plenty of children right here in this country that could use good parents? It's almost that it is a new status symbol for the hollywood crowd. Is Madonna really compelled to help out a child from Africa or is it the "new" cool thing to have one, is it a possession, a status symbol to show the world how kind and great you are... And if she really wanted to help out a child over there why not a true orphan, one that doesn't have a mom or dad. Did the others have handicaps, maybe not as cute, too short, too tall. Sounds like he was the pick of the litter. I don't want to sound to judgemental, but this little guy has a father and there are plenty of orphaned kids, here and there that would benefit from good parents...

[Tommygurl]

I think that the human rights org should mind their own business.....So what do the want the kid sent back to the orphanage? IMHO the child will have a better chance at a good life with Madonna.Heck I wish I was her kid...Think she'd adopt a 29yr old white girl from Canada? No? Angelina are you out there?

[Rissask]

I think it is great that they are willing to spend their resources and time to help out disadvantaged children. But isn't there plenty of children right here in this country that could use good parents? It's almost that it is a new status symbol for the hollywood crowd. Is Madonna really compelled to help out a child from Africa or is it the "new" cool thing to have one, is it a possession, a status symbol to show the world how kind and great you are... And if she really wanted to help out a child over there why not a true orphan, one that doesn't have a mom or dad.

Exactly....there are plenty of African American children available for adoption, but most American couples looking to adopt choose International adoption instead.

I recall seeing a show on Dateline a couple years ago about this phenomenon....many Canadian and European couples adopt black American babies, while American couples adopt white babies from Romania, etc instead.

They also are representatives of a little-known trend: At the same time the US is "importing" increasing numbers of adoptive children from Russia, China, and Guatemala, it is "exporting" black babies to be adopted in other countries.
Since 1995, US State Department records indicate that international adoptions by Americans have increased more than 140 percent. Couples often cite the lack of American babies as the reason for adopting from abroad.
But the US is now the fourth largest "supplier" of babies for adoption to Canada. Adoption by Shepherd Care, an agency in Hollywood, Fla., places 90 percent of its African-American babies in Canada. One-third of the children placed through Adoption-Link in Chicago, which specializes in adoptions for black babies, go to people from other countries.
The exact numbers are not available, but interviews with adoption agencies and families in Canada, Germany, France, and the Netherlands indicate that the US also sends babies to those four countries as well as Belgium and England. Most of the children are black newborns. Most of the adopting parents are Caucasian.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/1027/p11s01-lifp.html

[_nick_]

Who cares what country a baby comes from?

Parents who adopt should be praised rather than criticized that they chose an international baby versus one from their own country. It's their perogative and responsibility as well. If one child is being saved, that should be the one thing that should matter. To all the critics and naysayers, when was the last time you adopted a child? International or not.

Anytime a celebrity does anything, it makes the tabloids. They could fart in a restaurant and it would be on page three of The Sun. In turn, if they are going through something as complicated and serious as an adoption, of course it's going to catch the attention of the media and public. edit: For this reason, I don't think that Angelina or Madonna have done this for publicity reasons or because international babies are the current chic accessories.

As for this situation, the father was asked many times if he understood the procedures and what was going to take place, and each time he said 'yes.' Illiterate or not, he could have easily asked, "when will he be returning?"

And obviously he wanted a better life filled with opportunities for his son, if he put him in the orphanage - where children are available for adoption. One would think he would have a hell of a lot more chances in succeeding in life with Madonna than back in his home country.

[playabum17]

Originally Posted by _nick_

Who cares what country a baby comes from?

Parents who adopt should be praised rather than criticized that they chose an international baby versus one from their own country. It's their perogative and responsibility as well. If one child is being saved, that should be the one thing that should matter. To all the critics and naysayers, when was the last time you adopted a child? International or not.

Anytime a celebrity does anything, it makes the tabloids. They could fart in a restaurant and it would be on page three of The Sun. In turn, if they are going through something as complicated and serious as an adoption, of course it's going to catch the attention of the media and public.

As for this situation, the father was asked many times if he understood the procedures and what was going to take place, and each time he said 'yes.' Illiterate or not, he could have easily asked, "when will he be returning?"

And obviously he wanted a better life filled with opportunities for his son, if he put him in the orphanage - where children are available for adoption. One would think he would have a hell of a lot more chances in succeeding in life with Madonna than back in his home country.

[Rissask]

Originally Posted by _nick_

Who cares what country a baby comes from?

Parents who adopt should be praised rather than criticized that they chose an international baby versus one from their own country. It's their perogative and responsibility as well. If one child is being saved, that should be the one thing that should matter. To all the critics and naysayers, when was the last time you adopted a child? International or not.

Anytime a celebrity does anything, it makes the tabloids. They could fart in a restaurant and it would be on page three of The Sun. In turn, if they are going through something as complicated and serious as an adoption, of course it's going to catch the attention of the media and public. edit: For this reason, I don't think that Angelina or Madonna have done this for publicity reasons or because international babies are the current chic accessories.

As for this situation, the father was asked many times if he understood the procedures and what was going to take place, and each time he said 'yes.' Illiterate or not, he could have easily asked, "when will he be returning?"

And obviously he wanted a better life filled with opportunities for his son, if he put him in the orphanage - where children are available for adoption. One would think he would have a hell of a lot more chances in succeeding in life with Madonna than back in his home country.

I guess I just think a child's biological parents (if they are capable, and not abusive or anything of course) are the best choice to raise a child, not just the people who have money and can pay the most for the baby.

Don't kid yourself, there is a LOT of corruption in the international adoption arena. Women are often coerced into giving up their children, etc. so rich white couples can adopt them. If you think that is justified because they are rich and white and will therefore be able to 'give them a better life', hey- who am I to argue.

And it might also be advantageous to couples looking to adopt to look within their own country's borders first...why wouldn't they?

[PlayadelSoul]

Originally Posted by Tommygurl

I think that the human rights org should mind their own business.....So what do the want the kid sent back to the orphanage? IMHO the child will have a better chance at a good life with Madonna.Heck I wish I was her kid...Think she'd adopt a 29yr old white girl from Canada? No? Angelina are you out there?

If we use that logic, Madonna could take my kids.