Dixie Chicks

[Thor Henning]

Originally Posted by Ginger

I don't hang around EXCLUSIVELY with people who are liberal/moderate Christains...I don't ONLY buy things from people who are liberal/moderate Christians because I'm one. That would just be silly and close-minded. If I'm in the video store and MI3 is in, I'm going to rent it regardless that the freak anti-christ Tom Cruise is in it and benefiting from it's release.

Tom Cruise is one good excample. I don't agree with him either. But I like his movies.

[PlayadelSoul]

Wow. I did not think this thread would get legs.

Personally, I think the Dixie Chicks music sucks. I hate pre packaged faux country. I also think that they can say whatever they want. Contrary to what Thor is saying, I think it is healthy for freedom of speech when more people are able to use theirs. In this case, the Chicks did not have the talent to withstand the backlash.

There are many artists who have said much worse about Bush, and continued to succeed. I am in the record store on the day that REM, Emmylou Harris and Lucinda Williams CDs come out. Springsteen, Neil Young, Stresiand, etc. all speak out on a regular basis. They survive because they have earned the respect of the music listening world. The Dixie Chicks might want to consider that a lot of people, like me, were never going to buy their CD to begin with.

I started this thread because I saw a movie trailer on TV. I guess they have made a documentary on the trials and tribulations they have been through since that day in London. Poor, poor girls. Millions of people heard them speak and then gave them the collective shaft. Freedom of speech at its best. Liberals and conservatives use boycotts. They are an effective political tool and a valid expression of disapproval. The idea that there was a conspiracy (which is what they are claiming) is laughable, and shows you just how out seriously they take themselves. The idea being that they are so important to the world that Bush needed to silence them. Give me a friggin break.

Excuse me, I am going to listen to some Billy Bragg and Wilco covering Woody Guthrie songs.

[PlayadelSoul]

Originally Posted by Thor Henning

We are one world aren't we? I just said you should look for your freedom of speach. Take care of it.

So, Thor, if someone makes hateful racial slurs and speaks up in support on the reinstatement of slavery, we should be OK with that? Of course not.

Freedom of speech includes the responsibility to accept the consequences of your words. If you say them, you should be willing to pay the price that may come. It is called conviction. Rosa Parks had it. Martin Luther King, JFK, Ronald Reagan, Pope Paul, Mother Teresa, and many others had or have it too. You cannot say something that is controversial and then whine like a little baby when someone calls you on it. If you do, your words mean little.

[TAPPY]

I like the Dixie Chicks...but I thought their remark was very tacky/disrespectfull and had very bad timing. (just like I thought Rush's remark and Barbara's joke was). Freedom of Speech is a wonderful thing so people who make remarks in public venue should be prepared for all the shite they get back at them.

A good friend of mine burned me a copy of there latest CD...it is good imo !

[Nerak936]

Doesn't this whole thing just come down to the fact that no matter who you are and what you say, there are at times consequences for what you say, whether good, bad, or comfortably in the middle??

Any celebrity who's got the media's attention should be intelligent enough to know that what come out of their mouth can backfire.

And whether someone wants to express their opinion on what came out of said celebrity's mouth by buying or not buying the product they are selling.... well, that's their choice too.

What's the problem here?? I just don't see how this is a debatable topic.

[Nerak936]

Originally Posted by TAPPY

A good friend of mine burned me a copy of there latest CD...it is good imo !

She should've just sold it on eBay and made a few bucks. Better use of time and effort, IMHO.

[Kellyk]

I can't believe that the backlash is still going on...talk about holding a grudge. Natalie was guitlty of poor timing, that's all. Pediphiles get better treatment than the Chicks have recieved over an opinion. I don't like Bush or his 'stratagies" but plenty of tacky/distasteful remarks have been made about politicians, countries, cultures that I would support and I can't think of one that would make me hang on to a petty grudge for sooooo long. Some networks are refusing to run the ads for their movie... It's just rediculous to me. Get over it.

[CatskillsMom]

They were on Oprah yesterday and did not apologize for what was said ...as a matter of fact, Natalie said if it was today, in the aftermath of Katrina, etc. she would probably say something even more controversial and still thinks Bush is a major a-hole. (in not so many words). I say, good for her to not succumb to the pressures of what 'others' think she should do or say, whether you agree with her or not.

[MikeW]

I don't like their music.
I don't listen to their music.
I won't go to one of their concerts.
I won't go to the movie.
I respect them for speaking out.
I respect them for sticking to their guns and not backing down when a loud contingency of former fans, DJs and music industry people boycotted them.

[PlayadelSoul]

Originally Posted by Kellyk

I can't believe that the backlash is still going on...talk about holding a grudge. Natalie was guitlty of poor timing, that's all. Pediphiles get better treatment than the Chicks have recieved over an opinion. I don't like Bush or his 'stratagies" but plenty of tacky/distasteful remarks have been made about politicians, countries, cultures that I would support and I can't think of one that would make me hang on to a petty grudge for sooooo long. Some networks are refusing to run the ads for their movie... It's just rediculous to me. Get over it.

The grudge is continuing because the Dixie Chicks are playing victim, all over the place. Oprah had them on the other day, and I caught about 5 minutes of it. Dixie Chick #1 was trying to explain why she said what she said, then apologized, and then withdrew the apology. This is their career now, and they are taking advantage of it as is evidenced by their movie. A movie? Where is it going to run, the Columbia student union?

I am sure that some liberals have gone out and purchased the CD to make a statement of their own. In fact, I know this is true, because I heard John Kerry going on about how important the Dixie Chicks were to American music history. What garbage. There are about as important as Kajagoogoo.

[Thor Henning]

Originally Posted by PlayadelSoul

So, Thor, if someone makes hateful racial slurs and speaks up in support on the reinstatement of slavery, we should be OK with that? Of course not.

You are not allowed to encourage to break the law.

[Banzoomba]

I liked them much better....when they were just about the music......when I go to a concert I just want to be entertained...I don't want to hear any political stuff



and its not just them we went to see Toby Keith a few years ago.....he was introduced by G.Gorden Liddy who went on and on for a half an hour......then in between songs Toby would go into these political rants.....agree with what he was saying or not that is not what I was there for........liked the music but next time he is in town I think I will pass

[kirbyfan]

Originally Posted by PlayadelSoul

In this case, the Chicks did not have the talent to withstand the backlash.

There are many artists who have said much worse about Bush, and continued to succeed. I am in the record store on the day that REM, Emmylou Harris and Lucinda Williams CDs come out. Springsteen, Neil Young, Stresiand, etc. all speak out on a regular basis. They survive because they have earned the respect of the music listening world. The Dixie Chicks might want to consider that a lot of people, like me, were never going to buy their CD to begin with.

I dont think its lack of talent that has made it so bad for the chick, i think it was the fan base that appealed to them are conservative. Do you think if Toby Keith spoke out about a Democratic President that he would lose fans? I sincerely doubt it myself because his fan base is mostly conservative. Groups like REM and the others you mentioned dont have a large portion of their fans that are conservatives and therefore they can say anything about Bush and not feel the consequences.

[Kellyk]

Originally Posted by PlayadelSoul

The grudge is continuing because the Dixie Chicks are playing victim, all over the place. Oprah had them on the other day, and I caught about 5 minutes of it. Dixie Chick #1 was trying to explain why she said what she said, then apologized, and then withdrew the apology. This is their career now, and they are taking advantage of it as is evidenced by their movie. A movie? Where is it going to run, the Columbia student union?

I am sure that some liberals have gone out and purchased the CD to make a statement of their own. In fact, I know this is true, because I heard John Kerry going on about how important the Dixie Chicks were to American music history. What garbage. There are about as important as Kajagoogoo.

First of all, I'm not supporting the Dixie Chicks...don't like the music, never have..nover bought a CD never gave 'em a dime and probably never will . I just think in an age when actors, radio hosts and politicians are escaping to 'rehab' to cover their crimes /mistakes/words(and try to play the ultimate victim) and get sympathy for it, it's a bit refreshing for someone to take the heat and stand by their words (and benign words compared to the others) instead of caving to the masses. If it was a rap group, a rock group, or George Clooney this wouldn't have gone as far as it did.

[kirbyfan]

Originally Posted by Banzoomba

I liked them much better....when they were just about the music......when I go to a concert I just want to be entertained...I don't want to hear any political stuff



and its not just them we went to see Toby Keith a few years ago.....he was introduced by G.Gorden Liddy who went on and on for a half an hour......then in between songs Toby would go into these political rants.....agree with what he was saying or not that is not what I was there for........liked the music but next time he is in town I think I will pass

I saw Toby Keith about 9 months ago and he spoke out a little on the war but i cannot remember him saying anything political at all. Maybe its because its not an election year for the Prez.

It was one of the best concerts I have ever been to by the way...TK has pyro going off than when I saw AC/DC.