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Old 10-29-2006   #16 (permalink)
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But given the numbers you so rightly quote reegarding our leadership in CO2 production and the consumption of oil, the US making a strong statement toward energy conservation, clean energy, movement away from the unstable countries that produce "dirty" and putting our vast resources and influence squarely into this problem....well, it could certainly help, right?
Oh yes! I agree!
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China would fall right into line………(at least that is what Al Gore told the audience on TV the other night). I'm sure he knows China better than I do, but I can't think of many things that they take our lead on.

All we have to do is wait a while and the scare will again be global cooling. You remember that media hyped scare during the 70s?

Here part of a speech by the Chairman of the US Senate committee on the environment. In this section of his speech he chronicles the medias flip flops with respect to these climate scares.


…….. examples of the media and scientists flip-flopping between warming and cooling scares.

Here is a quote from the New York Times reporting on fears of an approaching ice age.

“Geologists Think the World May be Frozen Up Again.”

That sentence appeared over 100 years ago in the February 24, 1895 edition of the New York Times.

Let me repeat. 1895, not 1995.

A front page article in the October 7, 1912 New York Times, just a few months after the Titanic struck an iceberg and sank, declared that a prominent professor “Warns Us of an Encroaching Ice Age.”

The very same day in 1912, the Los Angeles Times ran an article warning that the “Human race will have to fight for its existence against cold.” An August 10, 1923 Washington Post article declared: “Ice Age Coming Here.”

By the 1930’s, the media took a break from reporting on the coming ice age and instead switched gears to promoting global warming:

“America in Longest Warm Spell Since 1776; Temperature Line Records a 25-year Rise” stated an article in the New York Times on March 27, 1933. The media of yesteryear was also not above injecting large amounts of fear and alarmism into their climate articles.

An August 9, 1923 front page article in the Chicago Tribune declared:
“Scientist Says Arctic Ice Will Wipe Out Canada.” The article quoted a Yale University professor who predicted that large parts of Europe and Asia would be “wiped out” and Switzerland would be “entirely obliterated.”

A December 29, 1974 New York Times article on global cooling reported that climatologists believed “the facts of the present climate change are such that the most optimistic experts would assign near certainty to major crop failure in a decade.”

The article also warned that unless government officials reacted to the coming catastrophe, “mass deaths by starvation and probably in anarchy and violence” would result. In 1975, the New York Times reported that “A major cooling [was] widely considered to be inevitable.” These past predictions of doom have a familiar ring, don’t they? They sound strikingly similar to our modern media promotion of former Vice president’s brand of climate alarmism.

After more than a century of alternating between global cooling and warming, one would think that this media history would serve a cautionary tale for today’s voices in the media and scientific community who are promoting yet another round of eco-doom.

........is all of this a lie were these things not really printed?
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........is all of this a lie were these things not really printed?
It is our best scientists today claiming this concern regarding global warming, and the media are just hyping it and communicating it as they always do....either way, as I said, you don't have to have global warming as your reason to desire to reduce CO2 emissions....there are multiple other very good reasons to make the very same changes required by the global warming "alarmists" that are less in dispute....these debates are a distraction from the real issues that most would not deny (those issues having been stated in my other posts)
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China would fall right into line………(at least that is what Al Gore told the audience on TV the other night). I'm sure he knows China better than I do, but I can't think of many things that they take our lead on.
You are absolutly right Michael:

Total carbon emissions (million metric tonnes of CO2)
US
1984: 4,597.85
2004: 5,912.21
China
1984: 1,707.91
2004: 4,707.28
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It is our best scientists today claiming this concern
Are they the same ones that were saying coffee, sugar, salt, eggs etc.... was bad for one .

I do agree we need to look at some other sources of power to even out the demand on one source. Or should i say we need to make them a reality.
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All we have to do is wait a while and the scare will again be global cooling. You remember that media hyped scare during the 70s?
Yes I remember, but the sientists agree more now about global warming. And at least it looks like we are going into a warmer period. The glaciers in Norway are melding, and so do the ice in Svalbard. I saw a program on television the other day about how polar bears loose their basis of existence now that the ice is melting.

We don't really know do we, but the information from the report coming tomorrow doesn't look good.

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Are you aware that under the Kyoto Protocol, China and a host of other developing nations will NOT have to abide by its prohibitions?

What Kyoto will do is bring the economies of the US, many European and other countries to a screaming, screeching halt.

Granted, we need to conserve energy, reduce or eliminate pollution where possible. But China should have to abide by the same rules to make it effective.
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Are they the same ones that were saying coffee, sugar, salt, eggs etc.... was bad for one .
Wasn't that the press drawing fast/wrong conclusions? Here in Europe I think all scientists agree on global warming now. There has been a lot of discussion, but isn't any more.
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Granted, we need to conserve energy, reduce or eliminate pollution where possible. But China should have to abide by the same rules to make it effective.
I agree.
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Unfortunately, there are many scientists who will say anything, as long as the grant money keeps coming. There are also scientists who put forward their theories in the guise of fact. What Michael pointed out is very valid. 30 years ago, in the NY Times, they told us that we would be freezing today.

If everyone, who thought it was a certainty, turned off their AC, stopped driving, and supported nucear energy, their problem would be solved (at least in the US).
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This is what we believed in two years ago. Not any more. At least not here in Norway. Most people here believe that the melting of the glaciers and the higher temperatures are because of man made global warming.
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This is what we believed in two years ago. Not any more. At least not here in Norway. Most people here believe that the melting of the glaciers and the higher temperatures are because of man made global warming.
Norway gets warmer, Antartica gets colder. It happens.
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There is are also a lot of interesting articles on that site: For example:

http://www.chronwatch.com/content/co....asp?aid=22630
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There is are also a lot of interesting articles on that site: For example:

http://www.chronwatch.com/content/contentDisplay.asp?aid=22630
Thanks Michael! I didn't see the political leaning at first.
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