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Old 10-29-2006   #1 (permalink)
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The price of failing to act on climate change

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Britons face the prospect of a welter of new green taxes to tackle climate change, as the most authoritative report on global warming warns it will cost the world up to £3.68 trillion unless it is tackled within a decade.
The review by Sir Nicholas Stern, commissioned by the Chancellor of the Exchequer and published tomorrow, marks a crucial point in the debate by underlining how failure to act would trigger a catastrophic global recession. Unchecked climate change would turn 200 million people into refugees, the largest migration in modern history, as their homes succumbed to drought or flood. <!-- This site/section combo is not set up to show MPU's -->Stern also warns that a successor to the Kyoto agreement on cutting greenhouse gas emissions should be signed next year, not by 2010/11 as planned. He forecasts that the world needs to spend 1 per cent of global GDP - equivalent to about £184bn - dealing with climate change now, or face a bill between five and 20 times higher for damage caused by letting it continue. Unchecked climate change could thus cost as much as £566 for every man, woman and child now on the planet - roughly 6.5 billion people.
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I dont know, the last 10 years have been abnormally cold here to me. I remember trick or treating and the temp was in the 70's, its supposed to be like 15 this year AGAIN! My daughter has to go as some type of wooly animal just to stay warm instead of a princess like she wants.
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Hey! This is serious! Have you read the whole article? This is not spooning! There are new arguments to the debate. Just read this from the article:
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He will also urge a doubling of investment in energy research and a speedier Kyoto process - meaning that negotiations with the US will have to be undertaken while George Bush is still president. International governments had hoped to deal with a more sympathetic successor after 2008.

Downing Street and the Treasury believe that the report marks a decisive moment in international politics. Stern's is the first heavyweight contribution by an economist rather than a scientist and senior officials believe he will make what might seem a hopelessly ambitious timetable credible. 'This will give us an argument to make,' said a Whitehall source. 'I think we are at a tipping point in terms of the debate, as we were at a tipping point in 2004/05 in terms of the science.'
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If it were not for global warming, there would still be ice covering virtually all of the inhabited portions of the earth.

That is not say that we should not conserve our natural resources and stop searching for alternative energy sources.

But, there is ample research to show that that the gloom and doomsayers are just flat out wrong.

The earth has had many,many climate changes over the ages. Meteorologists (not the television kind) never, ever use the term "global warming". Instead they use the correct term "climate change".

Read this article in the Scientfic American magazine.

http://tinyurl.com/9ldne

A more complete answer is given at http://lomborg.com/

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Hey! This is serious! Have you read the whole article? This is not spooning! There are new arguments to the debate. Just read this from the article:
Why does the US need to sign the Kyoto Treaty before the rest of the world can get started? Oh, thats right, the rest of the world needs our money. Except the rest of the world does not want the US to involve itself in the business of others. I am confused. Stay, go, in, out, no, yes.

Nevermind that US emissions are already in compliance with the terms of Kyoto.
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Why does the US need to sign the Kyoto Treaty before the rest of the world can get started? Oh, thats right, the rest of the world needs our money. Except the rest of the world does not want the US to involve itself in the business of others. I am confused. Stay, go, in, out, no, yes.

Nevermind that US emissions are already in compliance with the terms of Kyoto.
The US is the biggest user of energy in the world, the biggest polluter, the biggest contributor to CO2, and they refuse to participate in the Kyoto Treaty. How bloody typical!
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Why does the US need to sign the Kyoto Treaty before the rest of the world can get started? Oh, thats right, the rest of the world needs our money. Except the rest of the world does not want the US to involve itself in the business of others. I am confused. Stay, go, in, out, no, yes.

Nevermind that US emissions are already in compliance with the terms of Kyoto.

I don't think it takes getting wrapped up in the politics of the Kyoto treaty to realize that we could do a LOT more to help us reduce costs for future energy use AND move away from oil and all the foreign "dependency" problems that has caused us.

Many of our biggest potential competitors in the rest of the world are moving out ahead of us in development and utilization of alternative energy sources that produce less CO2....perhaps not only because of the threat of global warming....but rather to develop cheaper and more abundant sources of cleaner and sustainable energy that does not involve all the politics of oil.

So all the arguments of global warming really are not required to move foward much more aggressively than we have...there are other very good reasons to move more quickly toward alternative energy sources that do not produce as much CO2...pick your reasons...it still makes sense.
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I don't think it takes getting wrapped up in the politics of the Kyoto treaty to realize that we could do a LOT more to help us reduce costs for future energy use AND move away from oil and all the foreign "dependency" problems that has caused us.

Many of our biggest potential competitors in the rest of the world are moving out ahead of us in development and utilization of alternative energy sources that produce less CO2....perhaps not only because of the threat of global warming....but rather to develop cheaper and more abundant sources of cleaner and sustainable energy that does not involve all the politics of oil.

So all the arguments of global warming really are not required to move foward much more aggressively than we have...there are other very good reasons to move more quickly toward alternative energy sources that do not produce as much CO2...pick your reasons...it still makes sense.
I agree with you. We already have the technology to convert into some alternatives, and should get on it.
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I found this in a new article in the Observer:
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Total carbon emissions (million metric tonnes of CO2)
US
1984: 4,597.85
2004: 5,912.21
UK
1984: 566.88
2004: 579.68
India
1984: 400.55
2004: 1,112.84
Japan
1984: 895.64
2004: 1,262.10
China
1984: 1,707.91
2004: 4,707.28

Top World Oil Consumers, 2005 (million barrels per day)
1) United States: 20.7
2) China:6.9
3) Japan:5.4
4) Russia: 2.8
5) Germany: 2.6
6) India: 2.6
7) Canada: 2.3
8) Brazil: 2.2
9) Korea, South: 2.2
10) Mexico: 2.1
11) France: 2.0
12) Saudi Arabia: 2.0

Source: US government

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I agree with you. We already have the technology to convert into some alternatives, and should get on it.
But where are the politicians that understand this nexus of our problems and are willing to put the power of the bully pulpit and our vast resources to focus on moving us there? The fuel efficiency standards have not increased in over 20 years. Our utilization of energy per capita continues to grow, and we are doing little to move toward cleaner and more sustainable supplies.

Despite our long term problems with unstable political environments in the oil producing countries, we are doing comparitively little to move toward alternative supplies and to incent conservation.

We need a "lets go to the moon" type focus and leadership....this seems to be missing on both sides of the political aisle...
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From another article in todays The Observer (British):
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The Stern Report will tomorrow reveal that if governments do nothing, climate change will cost more than both world wars and render swathes of the planet uninhabitable. Can the world find the will to act? Gaby Hinsliff reports
I wonder if it will affect the news tomorrow?

Here is the whole article.
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But where are the politicians that understand this nexus of our problems and are willing to put the power of the bully pulpit and our vast resources to focus on moving us there?
Probably fending off attacks on everything from the war in Iraq to the Foley scandal.
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Probably fending off attacks on everything from the war in Iraq to the Foley scandal.
This is not only about the US...
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Probably fending off attacks on everything from the war in Iraq to the Foley scandal.
So you think he "understands" and he is just too busy. I think he is busy because he does not understand.
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This is not only about the US...
But given the numbers you so rightly quote regarding our leadership in CO2 production and the consumption of oil, the US making a strong statement toward energy conservation, clean energy, movement away from the unstable countries that produce "dirty" oil and putting our vast resources and influence squarely into this problem....well, it could certainly help, right?

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