Political....Giuliani testing the water.

Seakony · 11-15-2006

He is thinking of running for Pres on the GOP......I like him and I think many moderate Republicans will support him.

What do you think?

dartay · 11-15-2006

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Originally Posted by Seakony

He is thinking of running for Pres on the GOP......I like him and I think many moderate Republicans will support him.

What do you think?

I think he did as wel as could be expected in the aftermath of 9-11, but I don't know enough about his stances right now to say one way or the other

roni · 11-15-2006

He does not stand a chance of getting the nomination. No moderate, pro-choice Republican does. There are other issues that his primary opponents would love to have, like sneaking his mistress into the mayor's residence grounds in the trunk of his car.

Really, you can't make that kind of stuff up

dartay · 11-15-2006

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Originally Posted by roni

He does not stand a chance of getting the nomination. No moderate, pro-choice Republican does. There are other issues that his primary opponents would love to have, like sneaking his mistress into the mayor's residence grounds in the trunk of his car.

Really, you can't make that kind of stuff up

I had forgotten about the mistress thing.

I do hope there is a move towards moderation.

Loree · 11-15-2006

I only saw him in action after 9-11 and I really liked what I saw
as for the mistress thing..................who cares
a lot of us have done it but that doesn't mean we'd make a bad president
if anything, it makes him human

dartay · 11-15-2006

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Originally Posted by Loree

I only saw him in action after 9-11 and I really liked what I saw
as for the mistress thing..................who cares
a lot of us have done it but that doesn't mean we'd make a bad president
if anything, it makes him human

I think it shows some willingness to lie, I know a lot of us have done it.

BUT staring into the camera and saying "I did not have sex with that woman, Miss Lewinski" means to me that NOTHING that Clinton ever said can ever be believed.

MWC · 11-15-2006

His will be one of the Republican candidacies that could cause a HUGE chasm in the national Republican party for '08. Chuck Hagel would be another.

I think Giuliani has a lot of flaws that will be pointed out both by his Republican adversaries and by his democratic adversaries:

Issues surrounding his pre-divorce conduct, as Ron mentioned.
Issues concerning ethics at his current business/position: eg, Bernard Kerik; who has been on his client list, and who is using that status to gain/expect influence on Giuliani's thinking on things?
He is such a hothead -- is one of the only public men I can think of who can come across as a shrew.
For all his initial leadership, he did not get the "pork" delivered for NYC, post 9-11.
For all his "closeness" with the republican governor, Giuliani did not get state "pork" delivered for NYC.
He is more a media creation than an actual politician. I think post-W, voters will be looking for more concrete experience. If Giuliani says, "But I've been running a successful business," I think after the "MBA" presidency of W, people will be running away from that kind of thinking.

As Ron says, his moderate/liberal views on abortion, gay rights will hurt him with the red-meat red-staters.

But he would be an invigorating presence on the campaign trail! I am all for keeping the campaign part of the election going right up to the convention wire.

IMHO, the '08 election has a very good chance of spawning a legitimate third-party candidacy. I am betting on some disaffected Republicans.

MWC · 11-15-2006

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Originally Posted by Loree

I only saw him in action after 9-11 and I really liked what I saw
as for the mistress thing..................who cares
a lot of us have done it but that doesn't mean we'd make a bad president
if anything, it makes him human

But there was a truly ugly tenor in his behavior toward his wife at the time. Normally I would give a crap about sexual behavior, but the vindictiveness in a lot of his comments and actions was really unappealing.

Michael · 11-15-2006

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Originally Posted by roni

He does not stand a chance of getting the nomination. No moderate, pro-choice Republican does. There are other issues that his primary opponents would love to have, like sneaking his mistress into the mayor's residence grounds in the trunk of his car.

Really, you can't make that kind of stuff up

……similar reasoning as to why <st1:City w:st="on">Arnold</st1:City> could never become governor of <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">California</st1:place></st1:State> as a republican. He did not stand a chance of getting the nomination No moderate, pro-choice Republican ever does. .
<o:p> </o:p>
Really, you can't make that kind of stuff up.
<o:p> </o:p>
….ok perhaps you can.

beer_dude · 11-15-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by roni

He does not stand a chance of getting the nomination. No moderate, pro-choice Republican does. There are other issues that his primary opponents would love to have, like sneaking his mistress into the mayor's residence grounds in the trunk of his car.

Really, you can't make that kind of stuff up

Not that there's anything wrong with that!

roni · 11-15-2006

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Originally Posted by Michael

……similar reasoning as to why <st1:City w:st="on">Arnold</st1:City> could never become governor of <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">California</st1:place></st1:State> as a republican. He did not stand a chance of getting the nomination No moderate, pro-choice Republican ever does.

California is a bit different than the entire nation. You may call the reasoning similar if you wish, but I think that is an inaccurate statement.

TAPPY · 11-15-2006

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Originally Posted by MWC

But there was a truly ugly tenor in his behavior toward his wife at the time. Normally I would give a crap about sexual behavior, but the vindictiveness in a lot of his comments and actions was really unappealing.

Yep...you can always tell a lot about a mans character by how they treat their mother, wife, kids or pets !!!!

dartay · 11-15-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by roni

California is a bit different than the entire nation. You may call the reasoning similar if you wish, but I think that is an inaccurate statement.

Yep, just like a bowl of granola........
what ain't fruits and nuts are flakes

Rissask · 11-15-2006

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Originally Posted by TAPPY

Yep...you can always tell a lot about a mans character by how they treat their mother, wife, kids or pets !!!!

Or servers in a restaurant! You can totally tell a man's character by how he treats the waitress or waiter.

stevo137 · 11-15-2006

Not sure about this one.
OK, you might think I'm crazy but I think that John Kasich should not give up on his hopes to run again someday.

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roni Happy Curmudgeon Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Oregon Posts: 25,521	He does not stand a chance of getting the nomination. No moderate, pro-choice Republican does. There are other issues that his primary opponents would love to have, like sneaking his mistress into the mayor's residence grounds in the trunk of his car. Really, you can't make that kind of stuff up

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Loree añejo Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: north of Pittsburgh Posts: 9,477	I only saw him in action after 9-11 and I really liked what I saw as for the mistress thing..................who cares a lot of us have done it but that doesn't mean we'd make a bad president if anything, it makes him human

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MWC añejo Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Connecticut Posts: 5,843	His will be one of the Republican candidacies that could cause a HUGE chasm in the national Republican party for '08. Chuck Hagel would be another. I think Giuliani has a lot of flaws that will be pointed out both by his Republican adversaries and by his democratic adversaries: Issues surrounding his pre-divorce conduct, as Ron mentioned. Issues concerning ethics at his current business/position: eg, Bernard Kerik; who has been on his client list, and who is using that status to gain/expect influence on Giuliani's thinking on things? He is such a hothead -- is one of the only public men I can think of who can come across as a shrew. For all his initial leadership, he did not get the "pork" delivered for NYC, post 9-11. For all his "closeness" with the republican governor, Giuliani did not get state "pork" delivered for NYC. He is more a media creation than an actual politician. I think post-W, voters will be looking for more concrete experience. If Giuliani says, "But I've been running a successful business," I think after the "MBA" presidency of W, people will be running away from that kind of thinking. As Ron says, his moderate/liberal views on abortion, gay rights will hurt him with the red-meat red-staters. But he would be an invigorating presence on the campaign trail! I am all for keeping the campaign part of the election going right up to the convention wire. IMHO, the '08 election has a very good chance of spawning a legitimate third-party candidacy. I am betting on some disaffected Republicans.

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