Well I'll say it, then: Don't do it, Hillary!

**ryberg** · 12-13-2006

OK, first off, as far as I can remember and as far as I can see from a search, I'm not just duplicating something already here, but my apologies if I'm wrong on that!

Secondly, I'd like to point out that not only do I remain on what most of you would call the liberal end of things (though like many of you of either end of the spectrum, I see myself as only a moderate, as much as others may scoff at that). Moreover, I'd like to point out that I think that a woman being elected President, finally, could turn out to be one of the best things to happen to the U.S. (or in the worst case, at the very least, would like Fox's election here 6 years ago at least just break up an unhealthy stranglehold -- there male, here male and PRI -- on the office and hopefully open up new and promising possibilities of all sorts). And on top of all that, I'll add that Hillary Clinton seems to me to be quite capable and intelligent and politically savvy and obviously experienced in the role of the White House rather extensively, and could serve extremely well as President, apart from anything to do with any of the above points.

But geez I'm dreading the day she announces she's a candidate and hope against hope that she decides to sacrifice her own ambitions in favor of the good of the country and not declare herself for the campaign, because I just don't see how she can win. I think she'd inspire more conservatives and even moderates, in some cases, to vote against her than she would inspire those on the more liberal end of the spectrum (even women) to vote for her. So I guess Republicans must just be drooling while they await her announcement in the wings.

What think you, good forum folk? It seems a kind of obvious point to me, but I don't see it being discussed, really. Am I just missing something?

Steve

Jacko · 12-13-2006

I agree.

TAPPY · 12-13-2006

I agree.

Mexivoof · 12-13-2006

I'd love to see a Hillary vs: Obama showdown. Black against woman, I wonder who the Democrats would choose?

Beachnutt719 · 12-13-2006

I guess if you can't keep your husband in line how do you expect to keep the whole country in line??

vieve · 12-13-2006

Obama for President!

roni · 12-13-2006

I think a strong argument can be made that Hilary would be a good choice. The place for that debate is during a long grueling primary campaign and a subsequent national campaign by the respective nominees.

I'll support anyone who suppots a national, single payer, guaranteed health care system. I want the same rights Ginger has.

Also look at candidates who will not **** with this 55 year old's future Social Security,

Babaloo · 12-13-2006

please don't do it Hillary
we've worked to hard to get here

Kellyk · 12-13-2006

I love Hillary, I think she'd make a good pres....but I think, sadly, the timing is all wrong for her. I agree that she could make much more of a difference in this country staying on the path she's on. Having said that, if she's on the ballot, I'm voting for her.

sideways · 12-13-2006

God I hope she runs!......

roni · 12-13-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kellyk

I love Hillary, I think she'd make a good pres....but I think, sadly, the timing is all wrong for her. I agree that she could make much more of a difference in this country staying on the path she's on. Having said that, if she's on the ballot, I'm voting for her.

Me too, if it is the national election. In a primary, I'll decide closer to the time. depends on who is running against her in the primary and how the campaign is going. A lot can happen in a campaign - just ask Howard Dean

Seakony · 12-13-2006

She has already been president!!!

Cosmo · 12-13-2006

..which will the US have first, a female or a black President?...I dunno..

**sctx** · 12-13-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cosmo

..which will the US have first, a female or a black President?...I dunno..

possibly both at the same time

Jacko · 12-13-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cosmo

..which will the US have first, a female or a black President?...I dunno..

Quit bein' scittix's straightman

12-13-2006	#1 (permalink)
ryberg playa maya guy Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: wandering between the Village Vanguard, NYC, 1961 and the Plugged Nickel, Chicago, 1965 Posts: 10,429	Well I'll say it, then: Don't do it, Hillary! OK, first off, as far as I can remember and as far as I can see from a search, I'm not just duplicating something already here, but my apologies if I'm wrong on that! Secondly, I'd like to point out that not only do I remain on what most of you would call the liberal end of things (though like many of you of either end of the spectrum, I see myself as only a moderate, as much as others may scoff at that). Moreover, I'd like to point out that I think that a woman being elected President, finally, could turn out to be one of the best things to happen to the U.S. (or in the worst case, at the very least, would like Fox's election here 6 years ago at least just break up an unhealthy stranglehold -- there male, here male and PRI -- on the office and hopefully open up new and promising possibilities of all sorts). And on top of all that, I'll add that Hillary Clinton seems to me to be quite capable and intelligent and politically savvy and obviously experienced in the role of the White House rather extensively, and could serve extremely well as President, apart from anything to do with any of the above points. But geez I'm dreading the day she announces she's a candidate and hope against hope that she decides to sacrifice her own ambitions in favor of the good of the country and not declare herself for the campaign, because I just don't see how she can win. I think she'd inspire more conservatives and even moderates, in some cases, to vote against her than she would inspire those on the more liberal end of the spectrum (even women) to vote for her. So I guess Republicans must just be drooling while they await her announcement in the wings. What think you, good forum folk? It seems a kind of obvious point to me, but I don't see it being discussed, really. Am I just missing something? Steve

12-13-2006	#7 (permalink)
roni Happy Curmudgeon Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Oregon Posts: 25,340	I think a strong argument can be made that Hilary would be a good choice. The place for that debate is during a long grueling primary campaign and a subsequent national campaign by the respective nominees. I'll support anyone who suppots a national, single payer, guaranteed health care system. I want the same rights Ginger has. Also look at candidates who will not **** with this 55 year old's future Social Security, Last edited by roni : 12-13-2006 at 09:03 PM.

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Kellyk añejo Join Date: May 2005 Location: Dallas,TX Posts: 5,631	I love Hillary, I think she'd make a good pres....but I think, sadly, the timing is all wrong for her. I agree that she could make much more of a difference in this country staying on the path she's on. Having said that, if she's on the ballot, I'm voting for her. Last edited by Kellyk : 12-13-2006 at 09:25 PM.

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12-13-2006	#2 (permalink)
Jacko añejo Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 17,939	I agree.

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TAPPY añejo Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Louisiana Posts: 14,931	I agree.

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Mexivoof añejo Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 3,151	I'd love to see a Hillary vs: Obama showdown. Black against woman, I wonder who the Democrats would choose?

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Beachnutt719 añejo Join Date: May 2004 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 3,972	I guess if you can't keep your husband in line how do you expect to keep the whole country in line??

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vieve life=playa Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 707	Obama for President!

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Babaloo añejo Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Paamul, Q Roo Mexico Posts: 10,363	please don't do it Hillary we've worked to hard to get here

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Seakony añejo Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: no longer in Mesquite with nothing to do Posts: 10,147	She has already been president!!!

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Cosmo añejo Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 9,471	..which will the US have first, a female or a black President?...I dunno..

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