USA Presidential Politics - 2008

[roni]

Clinton creates 'whip team' to quell anti-Obama protests

In an unusual move, Hillary Clinton's staff is creating a 40-member "whip team" at the Denver Democratic convention to ensure that her supporters don't engage in embarrassing anti-Obama demonstrations during the floor vote on her nomination, according to people familiar with the planning.

The team, which is being organized by longtime Clinton staffer Craig Smith, is working in conjunction with Obama's floor organizers to help foster the image of a unified front during a roll-call process Clinton herself has described as an emotional "catharsis" for her disappointed supporters.

"If people get down there on the floor and want to start blowing kazoos and making a scene, we want to make sure we've got people who stand in front of them with Obama signs," said a person involved in the planning.

"Is it typical for a losing candidate to have their own whip team? No. But it's also not usual for a losing candidate to get 18 million votes either," said the person.

roni's take: They are going to try to walk out of there with a female presidential nominee

[Just Lucky]

Originally Posted by melliedee

Has anyone heard of these documentaries about voter fraud that Clinton supporters intend to bring to the convention? Just saw an interview on Hardball and saw a clip of the actual film on another forum...

I haven't found anything about this on the net. Who are they alleging vote fraud against?

[melliedee]

Originally Posted by Just Lucky

I haven't found anything about this on the net. Who are they alleging vote fraud against?

From what I gather, rabid Obama caucus goers. I forwarded through much of it...

YouTube - The Audacity Of Democracy - Teaser

[melliedee]

2 threatening letters sent to McCain offices. Hazmat and FBI on the way...

[Just Lucky]

Originally Posted by melliedee

From what I gather, rabid Obama caucus goers. I forwarded through much of it...

YouTube - The Audacity Of Democracy - Teaser

Thanks.

I'm more than a tad confused are you saying the Clinton campaign will be presenting this at the Democratic convention?

Do you mean McCain and his people are presenting it? Does it have any ties to the RNC, I wonder?

[Just Lucky]

Here is the about page from the Puma website. They're the ones supposedly putting the video out. I hope the Republicans are paying them well. I'm sure it's good propaganda. About — puma pac

By the way I'm familiar with one of the incidents here in Austin. If you are ignorant of the Texas system the evidence can seem quite confusing. They are editing things to make it look like things happening at one of the caucuses happened at the polls and vice versa.

[diogeron]

"The fundamentals of the economy are strong." (August 20, 2008)

"The unemployment rate in July jumped to 5.7%, or 8.8 million people."

Employment Situation Summary

"Foreclosure rates rise 9% from June to July and surged 93% over last year."

U.S. foreclosures rise sharply in July - Mortgage Mess - MSNBC.com

The National Debt has continued to increase an average of
$1.84 billion per day since September 28, 2007!

U.S. National Debt Clock

"Cost of Iraq war likely to top $3 TRILLION."

Three Trillion Dollar War: The True Cost of the Iraq Conflict

"Bush is the worst president in American history." Donald Trump

YouTube - Trump on Fox: "Bush Worst President in US History"'

"We're in a recession." Warren Buffett

LiveLeak.com - Warren Buffett: 'We're In A Recession'

Originally Posted by Just Lucky

Thanks.

I'm more than a tad confused are you saying the Clinton campaign will be presenting this at the Democratic convention?

Do you mean McCain and his people are presenting it? Does it have any ties to the RNC, I wonder?

[diogeron]

Forgot to post the link to the McCain statement that "The fundamentals of the American economy are strong." Sorry. Here 'tis.

Video - McCain: 'The Fundamentals of the Economy Are Strong' - White House '08

Originally Posted by diogeron

"The fundamentals of the economy are strong." (August 20, 2008)

"The unemployment rate in July jumped to 5.7%, or 8.8 million people."

Employment Situation Summary

"Foreclosure rates rise 9% from June to July and surged 93% over last year."

U.S. foreclosures rise sharply in July - Mortgage Mess - MSNBC.com

The National Debt has continued to increase an average of
$1.84 billion per day since September 28, 2007!

U.S. National Debt Clock

"Cost of Iraq war likely to top $3 TRILLION."

Three Trillion Dollar War: The True Cost of the Iraq Conflict

"Bush is the worst president in American history." Donald Trump

YouTube - Trump on Fox: "Bush Worst President in US History"'

"We're in a recession." Warren Buffett

LiveLeak.com - Warren Buffett: 'We're In A Recession'

[melliedee]

Originally Posted by Just Lucky

Thanks.

I'm more than a tad confused are you saying the Clinton campaign will be presenting this at the Democratic convention?

Do you mean McCain and his people are presenting it? Does it have any ties to the RNC, I wonder?

Not the campaign. Disgruntled supporters, I think.

[Just Lucky]

Originally Posted by diogeron

"The fundamentals of the economy are strong." (August 20, 2008)

"The unemployment rate in July jumped to 5.7%, or 8.8 million people."

Employment Situation Summary

"Foreclosure rates rise 9% from June to July and surged 93% over last year."

U.S. foreclosures rise sharply in July - Mortgage Mess - MSNBC.com

The National Debt has continued to increase an average of
$1.84 billion per day since September 28, 2007!

U.S. National Debt Clock

"Cost of Iraq war likely to top $3 TRILLION."

Three Trillion Dollar War: The True Cost of the Iraq Conflict

"Bush is the worst president in American history." Donald Trump

YouTube - Trump on Fox: "Bush Worst President in US History"'

"We're in a recession." Warren Buffett

LiveLeak.com - Warren Buffett: 'We're In A Recession'

If you are implying that many of the questions about Obama that folks have been arguing about on the forum are smoke and mirrors put out by the Republicans and intended to take the focus off the major issues of the campaign, I could not agree more.

[Just Lucky]

Here's a handy quote from the Puma founder Murphy:

I have responded at length to these attempts to discredit me. I am NOT a Republican, never have been never will be. I donated to the McCain PRIMARY campaign in 2000 because I was vehemently opposed to George W Bush. I voted for Al Gore, of course, in the general election.
I've also donated and volunteered for Hillary this year. My words and actions speak for themselves. Attempts to discredit me will fail because I am sincere and honest.
Thanks for the email, and sorry for not replying sooner.
Murphy

MyDD :: PUMA Pac Founder, Murphy, "NOT a Republican" (Updated 3x)

Your Honour, I rest my case.

Edit oops this is too informative . This is classic dirty tricks Republican politics. She claims to be a life long Democrat repeatedly. Of course she votes in Republican primaries.

Thank you as well for reminding me that I DID EVERYTHING I COULD in 2000 to prevent GEORGE BUSH from becoming the Republican nominee, including donating money to McCain’s campaign and voting for him in the Republican primary here in Massachusetts because I was confident that my hero,

Edit Dos: I can't resist, apparently PUMA really stands for "Part Unity My A#@" One more quote:

"Their goal was to stop Hillary Clinton by any means necessary," said Robin Murray, an Indianapolis therapist and social worker whose nine-minute YouTube video, " Mad as Hell/Bitch," detailed examples of sexism in the campaign and became a visual anthem for many feminists.

Given that she is a supporter of abortion rights and holds other beliefs that are at odds with McCain's, Murray was asked why she would consider voting against her own interests. "Whether it's appropriate or whether it will work doesn't matter at this time," she said. "The vote is a protest vote -- be it if I vote for McCain, if I don't show up, or if I write in Hillary's name." Added Murray: "I view it in a holistic way. It says, we will not be controlled and manipulated by these singular issues in order to cast a vote that we feel is deceitful, negative, there is just no pretty way to say it -- they cheated."

Hill, Yes! O., No! - washingtonpost.com

[diogeron]

Just Lucky,

Let me be clear. If you've read my posts, you know that I'm not "implying" that a lot of those posts about Obama are "smoke and mirrors," I'm stating it. What I have noticed is that posts from people like Steve and Roni et al often are backed up with evidence, whereas many of the posts from the McCain supporters are often name calling or just erroneous information, that when challenged, are defended as "just jokes."

Speaking of evidence, today a woman in New Mexico suggested that we bring back the draft and McCain said he couldn't disagree with anything she said. As a Vietnam era guy, I'm quite willing to go along with McCain on that one because if there had been a draft, the Iraq war would have likely never happened.

http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com...ves/16624.html

Originally Posted by Just Lucky

If you are implying that many of the questions about Obama that folks have been arguing about on the forum are smoke and mirrors put out by the Republicans and intended to take the focus off the major issues of the campaign, I could not agree more.

[melliedee]

There are McCain supporters on this thread? Show yourself, rogue!

Honestly, Horizon is a moderate, tmc a mystery, Welshy is MIA, and UGA, well, he's just being a troublemaker. Styx doesn't count since he sold out and cut his hair. I'll give you Lil G, but she doesn't post nearly enough.

[roni]

Originally Posted by melliedee

There are McCain supporters on this thread? Show yourself, rogue!

Honestly, Horizon is a moderate, tmc a mystery, Welshy is MIA, and UGA, well, he's just being a troublemaker. Styx doesn't count since he sold out and cut his hair. I'll give you Lil G, but she doesn't post nearly enough.

Unless Hillary is the nominee, I will support


















Obama.

[melliedee]

Originally Posted by roni

Unless Hillary is the nominee, I will support


















Obama.

I love your use of white space, ee.