USA Presidential Politics - 2008

[roni]

Originally Posted by Seakony

I just spent dinner gagging down a great meal I prepared. I just happened to turn on CNN and watch the Faith Politics special with Edwards, obama, and hillary. They all claimed to have strong religious beliefs for such liberals. Only Edwards was convincing. So much for the religious right.
Tomorrow night..it's the republicans turn.

No one who knows their personal histories can doubt the religious background and faith of Obama and Clinton.

I understand their performance tonight did not convince you. I encourage all of us to make decisions based on more than one night's performance.

[Playa Junkie]

Originally Posted by Seakony

There was no war before 911 or the other attacks on our emabassies. Do you really think that we would be alot safer if we havent's gone to Iraq? That the radicals would have just stopped after 911? I don't, in fact I think had we done nothing, they would be even more encouraged to attack us. But that is something we will ever know for sure.

But I have to ask, Rita, do you still think Sadaam was tied to 9/11??? Don't you think if we had just stayed in Afgahnistan we could have really had "mission accomplished?" Then once that was neatly finished, we could have unseated Sadaam

Back to my box now.......

[Seakony]

I never said he was... we will never know for sure..probably. For all I know he could have been celebrating when the towers fell. maybe not. That's the point. They attacked us several times long before we ever went into Iraq and would have kept attacking even if we didn't. We did spread our forces too thin...but then again..will there ever be a mission accomplished in Afgan? Too easy to keep running back and forth to Pakistan.

[roni]

Originally Posted by Seakony

I never said he was... we will never know for sure..probably. For all I know he could have been celebrating when the towers fell. maybe not. That's the point. They attacked us several times long before we ever went into Iraq and would have kept attacking even if we didn't. We did spread our forces too thin...but then again..will there ever be a mission accomplished in Afgan? Too easy to keep running back and forth to Pakistan.

President Bush has been clear on the fact that Saddam Hussein and Iraq were not involved in the 9/11 attack.

[Seakony]

Originally Posted by roni

No one who knows their personal histories can doubt the religious background and faith of Obama and Clinton.

I understand their performance tonight did not convince you. I encourage all of us to make decisions based on more than one night's performance.

It just seemed like they already got to preview the questions before they were asked. Too rehearsed. And then there was the "story of some poor unfortunate person" the clintons are known for telling. Gore tells them too. they sound like those dumb emails that you have to pass along or something bad will happen.

[Playa Junkie]

Originally Posted by Seakony

I never said he was... we will never know for sure..probably. For all I know he could have been celebrating when the towers fell. maybe not. That's the point. They attacked us several times long before we ever went into Iraq and would have kept attacking even if we didn't.

I'm still a little confused... "They" and "Iraq" are used in the same sentence, implying to me that "they" and "Iraq" are one and the same. But this is thread digression at its finest, and I was wondering what the tie-in was. I can only think that if "we" had stayed focused on our original mission, we might have made a little more headway in the "terror" fight against "them". But again, I digress...

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[Seakony]

Originally Posted by roni

President Bush has been clear on the fact that Saddam Hussein and Iraq were not involved in the 9/11 attack.

He was also pretty clear on the fact that he was at one time too. I still don't believe everything the govt tells me..never did, never will.

[Playa Junkie]

Originally Posted by Seakony

He was also pretty clear on the fact that he was at one time too. I still don't believe everything the govt tells me..never did, never will.

That's what I like about you, Rita

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“The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water and breeds reptiles of the mind.”
— William Blake

[PlayadelSoul]

Originally Posted by Playa Junkie

I'm still a little confused... "They" and "Iraq" are used in the same sentence, implying to me that "they" and "Iraq" are one and the same. But this is thread digression at its finest, and I was wondering what the tie-in was. I can only think that if "we" had stayed focused on our original mission, we might have made a little more headway in the "terror" fight against "them". But again, I digress...

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You act as if the only terrorists in the world are those who are confined to a small area of Afghanistan and answer to Osama bin Laden. Lots of dead terrorists in Iraq. Lots more left to get, as well.

[PlayadelSoul]

Originally Posted by roni

Conservatives and public saftey

There are trade-offs. Tonights national and local news reported on rises in violent crime in US cities. One of the factors cited was money moved from that area of public safety to the terrorism area.

My point of view is that the hundreds of billions of dollars the US has spent in Iraq could have been better spent in many other areas. Sadly, it is too late to re-visit those decisons.

Since when did local law enforcement fall under the responsibility of the Feds? Why would have any money spent in Iraq gone to your local PD, except for that earmarked for national security reasons? If you want your locals to catch more crooks, raise your local taxes. Its not the Fed's job.

[roni]

Originally Posted by PlayadelSoul

You act as if the only terrorists in the world are those who are confined to a small area of Afghanistan and answer to Osama bin Laden. Lots of dead terrorists in Iraq. Lots more left to get, as well.

They were there, dead or alive before we invaded. The US military action largely created the territory into which they could move and in which they could successfully recruit.

Also, I think history will show a whole lot more dead innocent Iraqi civilians then terrorists, a whole, whole large amount of a lot.

[PlayadelSoul]

Originally Posted by roni

They were there, dead or alive before we invaded. The US military action largely created the territory into which they could move and in which they could successfully recruit.

Also, I think history will show a whole lot more dead innocent Iraqi civilians then terrorists, a whole, whole large amount of a lot.

Killed by Americans or killed by Islamic fundamentalists? The vast majority of innocent civilians are killed by car bombs and suicide bombers.

[roni]

Originally Posted by PlayadelSoul

Since when did local law enforcement fall under the responsibility of the Feds? Why would have any money spent in Iraq gone to your local PD, except for that earmarked for national security reasons? If you want your locals to catch more crooks, raise your local taxes. Its not the Fed's job.

The federal government has provided some funding for local law enforcement for quite a while. I am sure you could look it up. The Clinton administration funded 100,000 new police positions in local law enforcement agencies back in the 90's - around the same time that the violent crime rate started a significant decline.

The hundreds of billions of dollars spent in Iraq could have been available for many worthier causes, including the safety of people living in the United States.

[horizon200]

Originally Posted by roni

They were there, dead or alive before we invaded. The US military action largely created the territory into which they could move and in which they could successfully recruit.

Also, I think history will show a whole lot more dead innocent Iraqi civilians then terrorists, a whole, whole large amount of a lot.

Careful Roni...we'll have to start calling you Rosie!

You may be correct that our "Liberating" Iraq allowed the insurgents to rise up, but I think history will show that it was they that killed more Iraqi civilians.

[roni]

Originally Posted by PlayadelSoul

Killed by Americans or killed by Islamic fundamentalists? The vast majority of innocent civilians are killed by car bombs and suicide bombers.

Both.