USA Presidential Politics - 2008

[melliedee]

Originally Posted by PlayadelSoul

Has Hillary ever appeared to be overweight to the point of bad health, to you? Or does she fear that a few extra kilos won't look good on camera?

Like it or not, as the only women candidate she takes extra lumps for her looks. There have been many mean spirited comments from pundits about this very topic. It was a light hearted moment in a serious discussion about faith and I think gained her kudos for honesty.

[ryberg]

Originally Posted by PlayadelSoul

As someone who believes that prayer should be reserved for non-selfish requests (i.e., for others or for improvement in my character defects which cause others to suffer), I don't see how substituting prayer for Jenny Craig works in her favor.

I'm not sure you or the neo-con movement is going to come off looking so good if you make fun of or put down someone because they say they pray for help with personal life struggles. And I think you'll particularly come off badly to women as a male who doesn't have to deal with nearly so much BS from society about your appearance as women have to (and as she has repeatedly had to at the hand of conservatives who may need to focus a little less on her looks and a little more on her intelligence and abilities and what she has accomplished).

And anyway, isn't it a pretty straightforward and typical use of prayer to ask for help in a personal struggle, whatever it may be, but especially if it can even affect one's health (just as typical and straightforward as praying for help to overcome marital problems with one's spouse, which you omitted from your comments)? I mean, hey, she didn't say, "I prayed to God to help me look like a movie star or that chick in Playa del Soul's avatar, these days." She just needs willpower help.

Perhaps no neo-cons need willpower help. Or perhaps the neo-con movement could provide each of us with a detailed list of what is acceptable and not in terms of our own prayers each night, along the lines of the very sort of intrusions into our personal lives on micro levels that they so often blame the left for sponsoring or encouraging?

Steve

[melliedee]

Thank you, Steve! I knew there was a reason we picked the Playa Maya!!

[roni]

Originally Posted by PlayadelSoul

Has Hillary ever appeared to be overweight to the point of bad health, to you? Or does she fear that a few extra kilos won't look good on camera?

I do not appear overweight to the point of bad health. Yet, losing 5-10% of my current body weight would be wonderful for my health. I am working on it.

There are Christians I know who take everything to their God in prayer - in fact some of them kind of maintain an almost continuous dialogue with their God about all aspects of their lives.

Point is, there are multiple views on prayer, its appropriate place in life, and appropriate subjects/content for prayer.

[ryberg]

Originally Posted by jtm1631

Oh, if I had a dollar for every person I met that I wanted to do this to, I would be a rich man!

I'll be sure to avoid the boxes full of smoking monkeys for extended periods of time.

jtm in the hooouuuse!



Steve

[ryberg]

I have a helluva time keeping my weight where it should be (though my friends think I'm blessed with the right metabolism so that I never get fat or something), especially with the kids and being so busy and tired that I don't go work out like I should and grab just whatever to throw down instead of getting a properly balanced diet. I'm thankful I'm not a woman, or a public figure, and don't have to worry about it so much, but I wish I did better on this. I especially wish I did better on this with 2 kids still young and another one on the way, as I really feel it in lack of energy and flexibility when trying to play with them.

Maybe someday I'll get my life in order in that respect...

Steve

[Jacko]

Originally Posted by PlayadelSoul

Has Hillary ever appeared to be overweight to the point of bad health, to you? Or does she fear that a few extra kilos won't look good on camera?

It seems to me that you've gotten so cynical....then again, I don't really know you...perhaps you have always been that way?

(Granted you seem less cynical when talking about conservatives and more cynical when talking about liberals. )

[ryberg]

Originally Posted by melliedee

I think these folks might disagree. This is from the AMA website . . .

The AMA -- HA! Like we're really gonna believe them on some medical issue like this. Haven't you been paying attention? Don't you know there's an assault on reason underway in this country?!?



Steve

[melliedee]

[quote=ryberg]The AMA -- HA! Like we're really gonna believe them on some medical issue like this. Haven't you been paying attention? Don't you know there's an assault on reason underway in this country?!?

I know! Especially given their evil anti-cancer agenda--they probably came up with the box full of smoking monkeys!!!!!!!

(smoking monkey emoticon here)

[MWC]

Originally Posted by PlayadelSoul

Has Hillary ever appeared to be overweight to the point of bad health, to you? Or does she fear that a few extra kilos won't look good on camera?

Weightwise, she looks pretty good from the waist up. From the hips down, though, it's like a whole different woman ... but it looks to be more genetic than anything else, so I hope we all like pantsuits!

[melliedee]

[ryberg]

Originally Posted by Jacko

It seems to me that you've gotten so cynical....then again, I don't really know you...perhaps you have always been that way?

Whereas me, for example -- I haven't gotten more cynical or anything!

(Ignore previous comment re disbelieving AMA and assault on reason, etc )

I'm sure Mark probably would say the same thing about me, though, seriously, and maybe about you. And maybe you're right about him, though I don't know.

I don't know much...

Steve

[Jacko]

Originally Posted by ryberg

Whereas me, for example -- I haven't gotten more cynical or anything!

(Ignore previous comment re disbelieving AMA and assault on reason, etc )

I'm sure Mark probably would say the same thing about me, though, seriously, and maybe about you. And maybe you're right about him, though I don't know.

I don't know much...

Steve

Would it be cynical of me to say, I suspect you are overly cynical too? ....now me, being a "moderate" liberal( ), I am not cynical....perhaps because I know that not only is there an Assault on Reason...but there remains the Audacity of Hope!

[roni]

Originally Posted by Jacko

I suspect you are overly cynical too ....now me, being a moderate liberal( ), I am not cynical....because I know that not only is there an Assault on Reason...but there remains the Audacity of Hope!

And the woman who married the boy from Hope

[dartay]

Who said the following?
"Yeah. And I think because not only would she sort of humiliate you in front of your colleagues or whoever happened to be around. It wasn’t like she did it every day. I found that she wasn’t the most direct person. Although that was very direct, that to me was the exception rather than the rule. Hillary tended to kind of campaign against people behind their back, and that was certainly my experience. She was not happy with me, but she never confronted me. She never had a conversation with me about it. She would go call Leon in and yell at him and then he’d have to call me in and say, “Mrs. Clinton is really upset about X. You said Y, and she disagrees with that, and you know, she wants you to fix it,” or whatever. As opposed to her picking up the phone and calling me. Sometimes it’s appropriate, I think, to go through the chief of staff because it’s the chain of command. Maybe she’s talking to him about six things and one of them is me. But there were times when I thought she should have dealt with me directly and she didn’t."