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**ryberg** · 01-17-2008

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Originally Posted by Jacko

I was scratching my head, wondering where all this anti-David Brooks sentiment was coming from. I mean, maybe he's not the best, but he seems really pretty reliable, you know, and not egregious like, say, oh, you know, Rush Limbaugh or something.

Steve

STOGEY · 01-17-2008

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Originally Posted by StewartG

Yes, based on what I've heard of them, they do seem to be the two candidates MOST intent on making the rich richer and the poor poorer...

What is wrong with a person trying to better himself financially? What I see that the dems don't like is that if you've got old family money you're ok, but if you make it on your own without government help your evil.

**ryberg** · 01-17-2008

You should try looking up some quotes from Warren Buffet regarding money and politics and society. You'd have an awfully hard time squaring what you just said with any of them, and he's usually just a slot or two from the title of richest man in the world, so kind of a big exception to what you claim.

Steve

Jacko · 01-17-2008

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Originally Posted by ryberg

You should try looking up some quotes from Warren Buffet regarding money and politics and society. You'd have an awfully hard time squaring what you just said with any of them, and he's usually just a slot or two from the title of richest man in the world, so kind of a big exception to what you claim.

Steve

I think its going to take more than Warren Buffet quotes to sway Stogey's ideas there.;..

Oso de Yogui · 01-17-2008

I spoke to a SS buddy the other day....he says Obama has a much larger contingent than the other candidates. Seems there is a real concern over the possible backlash if he was successfully targeted. He also told me the first question an agent asks another agent when he's been attached to Hillary is "Who did you piss off?".....I guess it's not exactly a Club Med assignment

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**ryberg** · 01-17-2008

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Originally Posted by Jacko

I think its going to take more than Warren Buffet quotes to sway Stogey's ideas there.;..

Maybe, but if as he says he's focused on self-made rich guys, how many examples are better than investment guru and self-made billionaire Warren Buffett?

I think what it is, if you want to to know the truth, is that Stogey is...

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(wait for it, wait for it!)

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...blowing smoke.

[rim shot]

Steve

**Heather** · 01-17-2008

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Originally Posted by ryberg

[rim shot]

Steve

heh heh, heh heh, you said "rim shot." heh heh, heh heh.

Rissask · 01-18-2008

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Originally Posted by Heather

heh heh, heh heh, you said "rim shot." heh heh, heh heh.

Steve!
I am shocked, simply shocked, I tell you....

**ryberg** · 01-18-2008

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Poll: Obama makes big gains among black voters

• Barack Obama leads Hillary Clinton among black voters 59 percent to 31 percent
• Only Clinton, Obama and McCain viewed as having necessary leadership skills

In a national survey by CNN/Opinion Research Corp., 59 percent of black Democrats backed Obama, an Illinois Democrat, for their party's presidential nomination, with 31 percent supporting Clinton, the senator from New York.

The 28 point lead for Obama is a major reversal from October, when Clinton held a 24 point lead among black Democrats.

"There's been a huge shift among African-American Democrats from Clinton to Obama. African-American Democrats used to be reluctant to support Obama because they didn't think a black man could be elected. Then Obama won Iowa and nearly won New Hampshire. Now they believe," said Bill Schneider, CNN senior political analyst.

"Obama's lead over Clinton among black men is more than 50 points, and among black women, once a Clinton stronghold, Obama has an 11 point advantage," said CNN polling director Keating Holland...

Steve

Jacko · 01-18-2008

From the Shields and Brooks discussion on the NewsHour

MARK SHIELDS: I think the Obama campaign has failed to establish the theme. And the theme has to be for him...

JIM LEHRER: You mean in Nevada or...

MARK SHIELDS: In Nevada and nationally, I think. And I think the debate was an example. He has to be the insurgent and she's the establishment. And he's change, and she's more of the same. She is Washington; she's the past. He has failed to do that.

Jacko · 01-18-2008

And then there is this...from here

But I think the other issue that could be an Achilles' heel for Barack Obama is that in his -- the union that's supporting him, the culinary workers, is running a Spanish-language radio commercial which basically is condemnatory of Hillary Clinton, accusing her of being disrespectful of Spanish-speaking voters, Hispanic voters, because her, the teachers union out there, had contested the voting system that had been agreed to by all parties after the culinary workers endorsed Obama.

And I think it calls her "disgraceful." And I think -- he's run a different kind of campaign. He hasn't done any third-party, independent expenditures, advertising up until now.

And he criticized both John McCain and Hillary Clinton for doing this in Iowa or letting their supporters do it. I think that's -- it opens him up to a charge of double standards.

roni · 01-18-2008

The news had a segment on the caucus today. The Hispanics they interviewed respsonded more positively to Hillary than to Obama. One latino man said "and then there is that other guy. what is his name, Omega?"

It will be an interesting day tomorrow. Uncertain outcome. Probably means someone will win by a pretty wide margin

**ryberg** · 01-18-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by roni

The news had a segment on the caucus today. The Hispanics they interviewed respsonded more positively to Hillary than to Obama. One latino man said "and then there is that other guy. what is his name, Omega?"

Steve

horizon200 · 01-19-2008

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Originally Posted by Jacko

From the Shields and Brooks discussion on the NewsHour

MARK SHIELDS: I think the Obama campaign has failed to establish the theme. And the theme has to be for him...

JIM LEHRER: You mean in Nevada or...

MARK SHIELDS: In Nevada and nationally, I think. And I think the debate was an example. He has to be the insurgent and she's the establishment. And he's change, and she's more of the same. She is Washington; she's the past. He has failed to do that.

Brooke Shields talkes to herself?

Jacko · 01-19-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by roni

The news had a segment on the caucus today. The Hispanics they interviewed respsonded more positively to Hillary than to Obama. One latino man said "and then there is that other guy. what is his name, Omega?"

It will be an interesting day tomorrow. Uncertain outcome. Probably means someone will win by a pretty wide margin

He is the Obama and the Omega!

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Oso de Yogui way into it Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Land of Pleasant Living, Southern MD Posts: 188	I spoke to a SS buddy the other day....he says Obama has a much larger contingent than the other candidates. Seems there is a real concern over the possible backlash if he was successfully targeted. He also told me the first question an agent asks another agent when he's been attached to Hillary is "Who did you piss off?".....I guess it's not exactly a Club Med assignment.

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01-17-2008	#6258 (permalink)
ryberg playa maya guy Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: wandering between the Village Vanguard, NYC, 1961 and the Plugged Nickel, Chicago, 1965 Posts: 10,510	You should try looking up some quotes from Warren Buffet regarding money and politics and society. You'd have an awfully hard time squaring what you just said with any of them, and he's usually just a slot or two from the title of richest man in the world, so kind of a big exception to what you claim. Steve

01-18-2008	#6265 (permalink)
Jacko añejo Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 18,001	From the Shields and Brooks discussion on the NewsHour MARK SHIELDS: I think the Obama campaign has failed to establish the theme. And the theme has to be for him... JIM LEHRER: You mean in Nevada or... MARK SHIELDS: In Nevada and nationally, I think. And I think the debate was an example. He has to be the insurgent and she's the establishment. And he's change, and she's more of the same. She is Washington; she's the past. He has failed to do that.

01-18-2008	#6266 (permalink)
Jacko añejo Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 18,001	And then there is this...from here But I think the other issue that could be an Achilles' heel for Barack Obama is that in his -- the union that's supporting him, the culinary workers, is running a Spanish-language radio commercial which basically is condemnatory of Hillary Clinton, accusing her of being disrespectful of Spanish-speaking voters, Hispanic voters, because her, the teachers union out there, had contested the voting system that had been agreed to by all parties after the culinary workers endorsed Obama. And I think it calls her "disgraceful." And I think -- he's run a different kind of campaign. He hasn't done any third-party, independent expenditures, advertising up until now. And he criticized both John McCain and Hillary Clinton for doing this in Iowa or letting their supporters do it. I think that's -- it opens him up to a charge of double standards.

01-18-2008	#6267 (permalink)
roni Happy Curmudgeon Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Oregon Posts: 25,566	The news had a segment on the caucus today. The Hispanics they interviewed respsonded more positively to Hillary than to Obama. One latino man said "and then there is that other guy. what is his name, Omega?" It will be an interesting day tomorrow. Uncertain outcome. Probably means someone will win by a pretty wide margin

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