USA Presidential Politics - 2008

[ryberg]

Originally Posted by PlayadelSoul

I liked it over there, as well.

Did you see how your new .sig file image inspired me to go a different route with my .sig just now?

I actually had one more album image link in there, but it turns out that there's a 500 character limit on .sig files and those links take up LOTS of characters, you know!

Steve

[PlayadelSoul]

Originally Posted by ryberg

Did you see how your new .sig file image inspired me to go a different route with my .sig just now?

I actually had one more album image link in there, but it turns out that there's a 500 character limit on .sig files and those links take up LOTS of characters, you know!

Steve

Looks good.

[ryberg]

Originally Posted by PlayadelSoul

Looks good.

As I say, you inspired me with that photo in yours.

Steve

[PlayadelSoul]

Originally Posted by ryberg

As I say, you inspired me with that photo in yours.

Steve

And, you inspired me to add another. What an inspirational day.

[ryberg]

Originally Posted by PlayadelSoul

And, you inspired me to add another. What an inspirational day.

Make 'em links, too, dude!

[PlayadelSoul]

Originally Posted by ryberg

Make 'em links, too, dude!

Beyond my capabilities.

[ryberg]

Originally Posted by PlayadelSoul

Beyond my capabilities.

Au contraire, mon frère! Just put your twin URL brackets on both ends of the image you've already got in there, and then for the first one, copy and paste in a link to a review of the album or book or whatever, right after the = and before the ]. It makes the image itself a link. You're cool.

Now I'll show you my impressive urban street cred, too:

Now this goes out to all area clicks
Centralized and way out in the sticks
Remember to keep the De La in the mix
Just like log cabin syrup my sound is game thick

Now this goes out to all area clicks
From manicured lawns to project bricks
Remember to keep the Mos Def in the mix
Straight butter hits, as good as ya get, now

Now this goes out to all area clicks
from the 7-18 to the 51-6
Remember to keep the Native Tongues in the mix
Straight butter hits, straight butter hits

[De La Soul feat. Mos Def, "Big Brother Beats" (or at least that's what the lyrics are in the chorus according to this link]

Steve

[roni]

Originally Posted by PlayadelSoul

Wait, I forgot. During the time he had a Democratic congress, he came up with Don't Ask, Don't Tell. So, he did do something. Not sure what it was, but it was something.

Passed the tax increase that helped balance the budget and keep the US dollar strong.

After the 94 election, he passed pretty much everything he wanted to with a coalition of moderate Democrats and moderate Republicans, cutting out the extreme left and the extreme right Republican House leadership. Drove them nuts. Tried to impeach him on flimsy grounds. Didn't work. It still drives them nuts.

W. Bush could have governed with the same type of coalition, but his handlers drove him way to the right-wing edge of things and were very disrespectful of the great American moderate center.

[PlayadelSoul]

Originally Posted by roni

Passed the tax increase that helped balance the budget and keep the US dollar strong.

After the 94 election, he passed pretty much everything he wanted to with a coalition of moderate Democrats and moderate Republicans, cutting out the extreme left and the extreme right Republican House leadership. Drove them nuts. Tried to impeach him on flimsy grounds. Didn't work. It still drives them nuts.

W. Bush could have governed with the same type of coalition, but his handlers drove him way to the right-wing edge of things and were very disrespectful of the great American moderate center.

Warmer. Or, could it be that after having been severely spanked in the 94 midterms (losing House and Senate), the President decided to work with Republicans to pass the ideas that he could live with? Not much unlike the current President with alternative fuels and immigration.

[roni]

Originally Posted by PlayadelSoul

Warmer. Or, could it be that after having been severely spanked in the 94 midterms (losing House and Senate), the President decided to work with Republicans to pass the ideas that he could live with? Not much unlike the current President with alternative fuels and immigration.

Moderates,
Not Newt, not Bob Barr, not neo-cons.

The Repubs in power have pretty much purged most of those moderates outta office due to the leaderships radical positions and multiple ethical problems causing losses for Repub moderates in the past elections.

The Yin, the Yang
At least each party gets to play each part at different times in history.

[roni]

June national poll results for Dems and Repub

AP-IPSOS poll Click here and you get the headline. Click on that headline that there is a pdf file you can download to get full results.

Here is the AP-IPSOS headlne:

June 9, 2007: AP/Ipsos Poll: Fred Thompson Shaking Up GOP Presidential Race, Attracting Conservatives, Older Men

DEMS

Hillary Clinton 33%
Barack Obama 21%
Al Gore 20%
John Edwards 12%

REPUBS

Rudy Giuliani 27%
John McCain 19%
Fred Thompson 17%
Mitt Romney 10%
Newt Gingrich 7%

Again, these are the results of polling a national sample and does not reflect how the candidates are doing in Iowa or New Hampshire.

[ryberg]

Originally Posted by roni

Hillary Clinton 33%
Barack Obama 21%
Al Gore 20%
John Edwards 12%

Interesting not only that the Gore's numbers as non-candidate continue drift upwards, but also that they seem to do so by drawing off Obama (who was shown a point ahead of Clinton at 30% in one of the above polls not long ago) and perhaps holding Edwards back but not, seemingly, drawing off Clinton's numbers...

More to-the-point lyrics from the title track of that same De La Soul release:

I gets down like brothers are found ducking from bullets
Gun control means using both hands in my land
Where it's all about the cautious livin'

Note that this group has, at the expense of their own success, been consistently optimistic in their message and consistently avoided the harder, gangster-style approach of many others. So the above is a cry out for help, not a proud shout out to their gangster homey pals or something.

This is made clear as they go on with a litany, ending in the following, of what they're sick of:

Cocaine and crack
Which brings sickness to blacks,
Sick of swoll' head rappers
With their sicker-than raps
Clappers and gats
Makin' the whole sick world collapse
The facts are gettin' sick
Even sicker perhaps . . .

I say G's are making figures at a high regard
And niggas dying for it nowadays ain't odd
Investing in fantasies and not God
Welcome to reality, see times is hard . . .

I think that smiling in public is against the law
'Cause love don't get you through life no more
It's who you know and "How you, son?"
And how you gettin' in, and who the man holding heat
Hey yo, and how was the scams and how high
Yo what up, huh? I heard you caught a body
Seem like every man and woman shared a life with John Gotti
(But they ain't organized!) . . .

Neighborhoods are now hoods cause nobody's neighbors
Just animals surviving with that animal behavior
Under I who be rhyming from dark to light sky
Experiments when needles and skin connect
No wonder where we live is called the projects
When them stakes is high you damn sure try to do
Anything to get the piece of the pie . . .

When taken in the context of the real situation, which as can be seen is clearly a desperate one, it just isn't that hard to see why people would in fact try anything to get a piece of the pie (the pie, remember, that we're all repeatedly promised by everything from our standard civics and history textbooks to mass media imagery), or to see that Obama is right: the myth of individual responsibility is simply not sufficient for people trapped in inner city mayhem, which no one would ever choose to live in, as of course is implied by the emphasizing of that myth.

Steve

[Jacko]

Originally Posted by ryberg

Interesting not only that the Gore's numbers as non-candidate continue drift upwards, but also that they seem to do so by drawing off Obama (who was shown a point ahead of Clinton at 30% in one of the above polls not long ago) and perhaps holding Edwards back but not, seemingly, drawing off Clinton's numbers...

More to-the-point lyrics from the title track of that same De La Soul release:

Note that this group has, at the expense of their own success, been consistently optimistic in their message and consistently avoided the harder, gangster-style approach of many others. So the above is a cry out for help, not a proud shout out to their gangster homey pals or something.

This is made clear as they go on with a litany, ending in the following, of what they're sick of:

When taken in the context of the real situation, which as can be seen is clearly a desperate one, it just isn't that hard to see why people would in fact try anything to get a piece of the pie (the pie, remember, that we're all repeatedly promised by everything from our standard civics and history textbooks to mass media imagery), or to see that Obama is right: the myth of individual responsibility is simply not sufficient for people trapped in inner city mayhem, which no one would ever choose to live in, as of course is implied by the emphasizing of that myth.

Steve

Yes, Interesting!

[ryberg]

Originally Posted by Jacko

Yes, Interesting!

Is that as in, "Yes, I'm happily interested because I want Gore to run"?

Steve

[Jacko]

Originally Posted by ryberg

Is that as in, "Yes, I'm happily interested because I want Gore to run"?

Steve

I would love for Gore to run.....I am not sure if it is ever going to happen..there is something about "wanting that which you cannot have" that may be driving these numbers for Gore....but I wish it was because the electorate realized what a wonderful candidate he would make...(now bring it on from both the right and the left! )