USA Presidential Politics - 2008

[roni]

Originally Posted by ryberg

That's what I was on about back here... At least there are 2 people (possibly 3 if your comments reflect this, too, Sol) who think this approach sounds strangely dismissive of voters, and mighty oddly dismissive for somebody who's suggesting that her opponent is somehow trying to hide from those same voters...

Steve

Politics is full of Alice in Wonderland moments

[ryberg]

Originally Posted by roni

Politics is full of Alice in Wonderland moments

Well you got that right -- her campaign does indeed seem to be operating out of some place akin to Wonderland, at the moment!

I know! Let's ignore the writing on the wall about how we shouldn't have summarily dismissed all these non-huge states and ceded them to our opponent and so forth and just forget about even putting in an appearance in WI before the next primary date, thererby helping him add yet another state to his streak!

And hey, while we're at it, let's criticize him even while he's spending days and days in the state, personally meeting and greeting voters, for trying to run away from voters, all while I don't even bother to show up!

Yeah, THIS'll work!!! Also it'll even help reinforce his inspiring connection with the people and my detached and calculating side!

[roni]

Originally Posted by ryberg

Well you got that right -- her campaign does indeed seem to be operating out of some place akin to Wonderland, at the moment!

From all campaigns Steve.

[MWC]

Originally Posted by roni

national trend.

Pity the mercenaries ...

Now I have a vision like in Pirates of the Caribbean III, where everyone's running from one side of the boat to the other, to make it tip over ...

[ryberg]

Originally Posted by MWC

Pity the mercenaries ...

Now I have a vision like in Pirates of the Caribbean III, where everyone's running from one side of the boat to the other, to make it tip over ...

But actually, pity the party, I think, if that comes to pass.

And then you can start to ponder the general election ramifications!

But I also tend to think it will not come to pass. You and Jacko have been ever so slowly luring me to that view...

Steve

[melliedee]

Me and my two Ohio primary votes are feeling very special and cherished. Will you call in the morning?

[ryberg]

Imagine being Howard Dean or whoever else and having the job of doing PR damage control with both party members and the press, and trying to maintain some semblance of unity in the party and get it ready for the general election at the same time, after the superdelegates or something like a reversal on MI & FL ended up overriding whatever the pledged delegate outcome was and swinging the nomination the other way.

That would have to rocket right to the top of any "worst job" list you could imagine.

Steve

[sctx]

Originally Posted by ryberg

Imagine being Howard Dean

you're asking too much there.......... is he still around, i thought they buried him in the woods somewhere

[Just Lucky]

Originally Posted by sctx

you're asking too much there.......... is he still around, i thought they buried him in the woods somewhere

Nope that was Jimmy Hoffa. Nixon, a football stadium.....gotta stop...........

[MWC]

Originally Posted by ryberg

But actually, pity the party, I think, if that comes to pass.

And then you can start to ponder the general election ramifications!

But I also tend to think it will not come to pass. You and Jacko have been ever so slowly luring me to that view...

Steve

Spreading the sunshine in my own special way, in my own little corner ...

Originally Posted by ryberg

Imagine being Howard Dean or whoever else and having the job of doing PR damage control with both party members and the press, and trying to maintain some semblance of unity in the party and get it ready for the general election at the same time, after the superdelegates or something like a reversal on MI & FL ended up overriding whatever the pledged delegate outcome was and swinging the nomination the other way.

That would have to rocket right to the top of any "worst job" list you could imagine.

Steve

(I'm operating from the assumption that it will be Obama who comes out on top from that scenario)
Don't you suspect at a certain level, whovever deals the final blow to the Clintons -- delivers that coup de grace, "Emperor has no clothes" moment -- will go down in DNC legend? I do. I think a lot of Dempols cannot wait to be rid of the CLintons' higher aspirations. (Although they will be gracious and lovely to Senator Clinton, who will serve with distinction for years to come)

If Dean helps Clinton pull out some kind of tawdry-seeming victory ... all hell will break loose. I will go to Denver myself and go Chicago on the lot of them.

[Joana]

I've been following the whole process from here..... given that I would surely be a Dem if I lived in the States all I can say is- THANK GOODNESS I don't live in the States right now. As I really wouldn't know which to pick, to be honest.

First of all both are only nuances apart in their programs........ and programs, schmograms- in the end programs are one thing, following through and/ or changing them are other issues once the elections are over.

So the political stance wouldn't help me choose.

Then there is the first female president vs. first black president issue.
I think it is time for either. So no help here, too.

So for me it would come down to personal likes..... sympathy. And while I wish I could say I'd vote for the fellow female I am not really fond of Hillary- for many reasons. Yes, she may have more experience in politics- but not only of the positive kind. I also just can't get a positive feel for her and can't even say why.
Obama- well, by now there is too much of a hype around him for me to feel comfortable liking him.......as, after all, he IS the less experienced of the two and seems a bit TOO optimistic for me.

So in the end- 1:1 on program, 1:1 on groundbreaking gender/race, -1:-1 on personal liking.

Thank God I don't have to choose!!!

[sctx]

Originally Posted by Joana

I've been following the whole process from here..... given that I would surely be a Dem if I lived in the States all I can say is- THANK GOODNESS I don't live in the States right now. As I really wouldn't know which to pick, to be honest.

First of all both are only nuances apart in their programs........ and programs, schmograms- in the end programs are one thing, following through and/ or changing them are other issues once the elections are over.

So the political stance wouldn't help me choose.

Then there is the first female president vs. first black president issue.
I think it is time for either. So no help here, too.

So for me it would come down to personal likes..... sympathy. And while I wish I could say I'd vote for the fellow female I am not really fond of Hillary- for many reasons. Yes, she may have more experience in politics- but not only of the positive kind. I also just can't get a positive feel for her and can't even say why.
Obama- well, by now there is too much of a hype around him for me to feel comfortable liking him.......as, after all, he IS the less experienced of the two and seems a bit TOO optimistic for me.

So in the end- 1:1 on program, 1:1 on groundbreaking gender/race, -1:-1 on personal liking.

Thank God I don't have to choose!!!

damn, that's like 1/20th of your dissertation you're sposed to be workin on

[ryberg]

Originally Posted by MWC

If Dean helps Clinton pull out some kind of tawdry-seeming victory ... all hell will break loose. I will go to Denver myself and go Chicago on the lot of them.

And our spare room here is ready to host you!

I was referring to the obvious scenario in which some such "tawdry" maneuvering would benefit Clinton, reversing the pledged delegate decision, since of course she's the one with all the DNC connections and the corresponding superdelegate lead but fewer pledged delegates and who is arguing for the decision on MI & FL to be reversed and so forth. Hard to imagine the reverse, with all that in place like that, but either way, the pledged delegate winner should not be supplanted by the overriding of that win through unelected connection honchos or back-room maneuvering and the like.

Steve

[Joana]

Originally Posted by sctx

damn, that's like 1/20th of your dissertation you're sposed to be workin on

The way it's panning out by now more like 1/2000. I have finally wrapped my frontal lobe around the fact that it won't be finished until I already work as a doc. Given the fact that I start internship on Monday and will only have the weekends to work on it- and not even those starting October when I have to start learning for the final exams- there is no chance I'll have it ready before the exams.
But well- I'll do what I can to get most of it done and the rest will have to be done later.
DID actually spend six hours in the states archives today- so do not tell me I should work on it NOW.

[ryberg]

Maybe if it comes to pass, it would be some kind of weird karmic payback to Dean for that infamous whoop...

Steve