USA Presidential Politics - 2008

[melliedee]

Originally Posted by roni

I thought he was referring to the PI Obama cabal.


Good night

That's merely a radical faction within the existing cabal. You cannot defect without a trial.

[roni]

Originally Posted by melliedee

That's merely a radical faction within the existing cabal. You cannot defect without a trial.

I want Just Lucky to be my Public Defender.

He seems like a fair-minded man- and aware of defenses only known to Texans.

[ryberg]

Originally Posted by Jacko

Steve,....austuticity??

What, you disappreciate my vocabulosity?

You some kind of patronizing elitist or something, pal?!?



Steve

[ryberg]

Wow: that ticker story I saw on Clyburn really softened things up, apparently, because over here, he says

"We keep talking as if it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter that Obama gets 92 percent of the black vote, because since he only got 35 percent of the white vote, he's in trouble," Clyburn said. "Well, Hillary Clinton only got 8 percent of the black vote. . . . It's almost saying black people don't matter. The only thing that matters is how white people respond. And that's what bothered me. I think I matter."

And connecting to my earlier, sarcastic question about the "Judas" count, the same article also notes

More than 70 top Clinton donors wrote their first checks to Obama in March, campaign records show.

Yikes!

OTOH, on the latter point, what I read says she's got far, far fewer donors that are donating far, far more money -- many up to the $2,300 personal limit, for her, as opposed to that $100 or so average for his donors -- so in that sense, maybe she's not losing more in potential contributions at the same time that he's gaining.

I mean if you want to go silver lining hunting there or something...

Meanwhile, a (to me, at least) new possible explanation here of Bill Clinton's sometimes seemingly unexplainable behavior:

...perhaps his heart bypass surgery in 2004 took more of a toll than people realize.

"It is possible that Bill Clinton's recent gaffes are a result of his bypass operation," said Dr. Marc Siegel, an NYU associate professor who has interviewed Clinton's heart surgeon.

Siegel was referring to a personality-change phenomenon sometimes seen in bypass patients.

Finally, you may want to start your day off with this video of Obama commenting on when he will and won't fight in his politics, Melliedee.

Steve

[melliedee]

Originally Posted by ryberg

Finally, you may want to start your day off with this video of Obama commenting on when he will and won't fight in his politics, Melliedee.

Steve

I like that response very much. In my call for him to fight back more, I was never thinking of his bipartisan stance with the GOP once in the whitehouse, cabinet positions, etc. I was referring to the primary, and not even McCain, but the competition within his own party.

I'm glad he addressed the campaign and the mood that sets, but he also said another very interesting thing: that he would save up his fight till he "really needs it." Clinton has made it clear she intends to take it to the convention and to go after every super delegate vote despite the pledged delegates and to do all this while continuing to make a case for his unelectibility. I submit he use a few of those reserves now.

Let's face it, Steve. We will never agree on this. You are a Mac and I'm a PC.

[StewartG]

Originally Posted by ryberg

Finally, you may want to start your day off with this video of Obama commenting on when he will and won't fight in his politics, Melliedee.

Steve

If we, as a nation, do not elect this man President, then shame on us. This is the right man for the right job at the right time in our history. If that is not as obvious as the nose on my face, I don't know what is.

I would urge both McCain and Hillary supporters to set aside your cynicism and preconceptions about this guy and spend some time listening to him speak.

[StewartG]

Originally Posted by melliedee

I like that response very much. In my call for him to fight back more, I was never thinking of his bipartisan stance with the GOP once in the whitehouse, cabinet positions, etc. I was referring to the primary, and not even McCain, but the competition within his own party.

I'm glad he addressed the campaign and the mood that sets, but he also said another very interesting thing: that he would save up his fight till he "really needs it." Clinton has made it clear she intends to take it to the convention and to go after every super delegate vote despite the pledged delegates and to do all this while continuing to make a case for his unelectibility. I submit he use a few of those reserves now.

Let's face it, Steve. We will never agree on this. You are a Mac and I'm a PC.

What I would like to see is every time Hillary throws up one of the bullshit issues that he give a short and concise one sentence response and then say something like, "but now lets talk about the important issues facing this country..."

[Welshly Squirt]

Originally Posted by StewartG

If we, as a nation, do not elect this man President, then shame on us. This is the right man for the right job at the right time in our history. If that is not as obvious as the nose on my face, I don't know what is.

I would urge both McCain and Hillary supporters to set aside your cynicism and preconceptions about this guy and spend some time listening to him speak.

Wow, you convinced me. I mean, who would know better than you what is right for the rest of us?

Listen to him speak!? How about check out what he has done? Oh, that's right, other than his 100%, down the line, liberal voting record, the only thing he has done is get people excited by the way he speaks. Why not elect Tony Robbins? Or Rev. Wright?

Wake up, people. Listen to Stew. He will be disappointed if we don't.

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[sctx]

Originally Posted by Welshly Squirt

Wow, you convinced me. I mean, who would know better than you what is right for the rest of us?

Listen to him speak!? How about check out what he has done? Oh, that's right, other than his 100%, down the line, liberal voting record, the only thing he has done is get people excited by the way he speaks. Why not elect Tony Robbins? Or Rev. Wright?

Wake up, people. Listen to Stew. He will be disappointed if we don't.

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don't you feel that after listening to McCain and Obama speak over the last 3 weeks, that McCain is the one that represents the "change" that the American public is supposedly looking for ???

[Welshly Squirt]

Originally Posted by sctx

don't you feel that after listening to McCain and Obama speak over the last 3 weeks, that McCain is the one that represents the "change" that the American public is supposedly looking for ???

Am I allowed to answer?

Of course, he is. He is, also, the only candidate who has been willing to cross over and work with the other side, even when he knew it would be to his own political detriment. Obama is cited by liberal organizations as being the MOST liberal Senator, because he votes by the handbook. He talks of working together, but there is NO evidence that he ever has. Words or actions? You decide.

[ryberg]

Originally Posted by sctx

don't you feel that after listening to McCain and Obama speak over the last 3 weeks, that McCain is the one that represents the "change" that the American public is supposedly looking for ???

In the scare quote sense of change and in keeping with the earlier suggestion that a significant portion of the American people only give lip service to the notion but don't really want it, yes.

I mean, you know, Bush wouldn't be president any more. That's change!

Steve

[Jacko]

Originally Posted by Welshly Squirt

Wow, you convinced me. I mean, who would know better than you what is right for the rest of us?

Listen to him speak!? How about check out what he has done? Oh, that's right, other than his 100%, down the line, liberal voting record, the only thing he has done is get people excited by the way he speaks. Why not elect Tony Robbins? Or Rev. Wright?

Wake up, people. Listen to Stew. He will be disappointed if we don't.

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You forget...we LIKE his liberal voting record!

Better we should listen to you?

How about we get back to the issues, eh?

[ryberg]

Originally Posted by melliedee

I like that response very much. In my call for him to fight back more, I was never thinking of his bipartisan stance with the GOP once in the whitehouse, cabinet positions, etc. I was referring to the primary, and not even McCain, but the competition within his own party.

I'm glad he addressed the campaign and the mood that sets, but he also said another very interesting thing: that he would save up his fight till he "really needs it." Clinton has made it clear she intends to take it to the convention and to go after every super delegate vote despite the pledged delegates and to do all this while continuing to make a case for his unelectibility. I submit he use a few of those reserves now.

Let's face it, Steve. We will never agree on this. You are a Mac and I'm a PC.

Oh, I know! And that's fine. I don't think that was a perfect answer and wasn't trying to debate that issue with you again, I just wanted to toss you that link, since he addressed the issue kind of directly, there.

Steve

[StewartG]

Originally Posted by sctx

don't you feel that after listening to McCain and Obama speak over the last 3 weeks, that McCain is the one that represents the "change" that the American public is supposedly looking for ???

Originally Posted by Welshly Squirt

Am I allowed to answer?

Of course, he is. He is, also, the only candidate who has been willing to cross over and work with the other side, even when he knew it would be to his own political detriment. Obama is cited by liberal organizations as being the MOST liberal Senator, because he votes by the handbook. He talks of working together, but there is NO evidence that he ever has. Words or actions? You decide.

Don't get me wrong, I like McCain. I think he represents a FAR different breed of Republican than currently runs the White House. I like a lot of what McCain stands for, but fundamentally, I cannot get past his unyielding support of the war in Iraq. I think that is pure folly and VERY dangerous for our country.

While I do think that Obama would make a FAR better president and do much better at bringing the country together than would McCain, I wouldn't not be heartbroken and despondent if he wins the way I was when Bush won in '04. I also don't think McCain would provide me by then end of his term with the quiver full of "I told you so"s that Bush has provided me with at the end of his term. That's a good thing.

By the way Mark, why are you posting under an assumed handle?

[ryberg]

Originally Posted by Welshly Squirt

Am I allowed to answer?

Why wouldn't you be?

Originally Posted by Welshly Squirt

Obama . . . talks of working together, but there is NO evidence that he ever has. Words or actions? You decide.

I think I'd recommending deciding on the truth of the matter, instead, which is that he has in fact worked together with Republicans. I mean, one person who would balk at your emphatic assertion there would be generally well respected Republican Dick Lugar.



The caption of that Wiki shot reads: "Richard Lugar with Barack Obama in August 2005 near Perm, Russia," one place they went in their work together regarding dangerous nuclear weapons stockpiling and disposal issues.

This and other cross-party line experience is frequently brought up in Obama's second book, at least. And he's even got Republicans he's worked with speaking up for him in some campaign ads and interviews and so forth.

So that must be some kind of metaphorical meaning of NO and ever that I'm unaware of...

Steve