USA Presidential Politics - 2008 - Page 8

MWC · 03-02-2007

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yeah, I'd consider the accusations of "a black man dragging our party down" to be a real mud bath........

Ironically enough, I think that comment was made by a black politician.

roni · 03-07-2007

NASHVILLE, Tennessee (AP) -- A Southern Baptist leader said Tuesday that evangelical voters might tolerate a divorced presidential candidate, but they have deep doubts about GOP hopeful Rudy Giuliani, who has been married three times.

Richard Land, head of public policy for the Southern Baptist Convention, told The Associated Press that evangelicals believe the former New York City mayor showed a lack of character during his divorce from his second wife, television personality Donna Hanover.

"I mean, this is divorce on steroids," Land said. "To publicly humiliate your wife in that way, and your children. That's rough. I think that's going to be an awfully hard sell, even if he weren't pro-choice and pro-gun control."

Giuliani married his longtime companion, Judith Nathan, in 2003. They had dated publicly while Giuliani was married to Hanover. His first marriage ended in an annulment. (Watch why Giuliani's son won't be campaigning for him Video)

A Giuliani staff member referred calls on Land's statement to Giuliani's exploratory committee, which did not have an immediate response Tuesday night.

Giuliani already has a challenge in winning over conservative voters who make up the GOP's base. Many of them view him with skepticism because his moderate views on social issues such as gays, guns and abortion are considered too liberal.

Land noted that Republican presidential candidate John McCain has been married twice, but said the Arizona senator has acknowledged his part in the failure of his first marriage.

"It's a molehill compared to Giuliani's mountain," Land said. "When you're a war hero [like McCain], you have less to prove on the character front."

Many polls identify Giuliani as the front-runner in the Republican presidential primary, followed by McCain and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney.

Southern Baptists have been among the most vocal of conservative Christian groups in support of the Bush administration. But they and other evangelicals are struggling to find a consensus presidential candidate who embraces their stands against gay marriage and abortion.

Cosmo · 03-07-2007

Can't wait to see the video of him sneaking his girlfriend into the governors mansion - in the trunk of the car

True story.

roni · 03-07-2007

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Originally Posted by Cosmo

Can't wait to see the video of him sneaking his girlfriend into the governors mansion - in the trunk of the car

True story.

That is the one who is his wife now, right? Here they are at the Opera

Cosmo · 03-07-2007

I think so, picture is a little truncated

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That is the one who is his wife now, right? Here they are at the Opera

TAPPY · 03-07-2007

I dont remember the whole story...but was he not really nasty (in a public way) to his first wife (and kids) during his divorce....and now all of a sudden he thinks everything about his current rift with his son be kept private ???

MWC · 03-08-2007

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I dont remember the whole story...but was he not really nasty (in a public way) to his first wife (and kids) during his divorce....and now all of a sudden he thinks everything about his current rift with his son be kept private ???

His first marriage was like "swamp yankee" bizarre -- married a second cousin, then that marriage was annuled by the Catholic Church when Giuliani became infatuated with Donna Hanover and proposed to her after a 6-week courtship.

The kids are the product of his marriage with Donna Hanover, I thought. The NY Times had a long article about how Giuliani's kids will most pointedly NOT be campaigning for Daddy. Son is at Duke, and wants to devote his time to developing a career as a professional golfer. Daughter is at Harvard, would not comment for the article.

The way he handled the divorce from Hanover was simply appalling -- absolutely brutal, and designed to humiliate Hanover. I think the assumption at the time was that he was on the brink of a nervous breakdown, what with the prostate cancer, the Senate run he gave up, pressure from angry minority groups. But this is a guy who doesn't think twice about chopping any opposition off at the knees.

Hopefully, Giuliani is just a flavor du jour for a desperate Rep party. An interesting article in Time or Newsweek showed some polls they had taken. Most conservative Republicans knew nothing about Giuliani's view on several "red meat" issues -- gun control, same-sex unions, abortion -- with the point being that if they knew about those views, they would see that they are diametrically opposed to the conservative republicans'.

I see Mick Huckabee coming up on the outside. If the Republicans went with Chuck Hagel, I think that would be their smartest move.

roni · 03-14-2007

Clinton still Democratic front-runner, would gain votes if Gore doesn't run

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- By a margin of about 15 percentage points, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton continues to lead the pack of Democratic presidential hopefuls, with Sen. Barack Obama in second place and former Vice President Al Gore and John Edwards tied for third, according to a new CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll released Wednesday.

Thirty-seven percent of registered Democrats said they back Clinton as the Democratic 2008 nominee, while 22 percent named Obama, 14 percent went with Gore and 12 percent supported Edwards.

But Gore has said he has no plans to run, and with his name out of the mix, Clinton's support jumps to 44 percent -- a gain of 7 percentage points, compared with a gain of only 1 for Obama.

The sampling error for these questions asked of 447 registered voters who describe themselves as Democrats was plus or minus 4.5 percent. (Posted 4:07 p.m.)

PlayadelSoul · 03-14-2007

Mitt Romney is a bigger flip flopper than John Kerry. He is toast.

roni · 03-14-2007

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Mitt Romney is a bigger flip flopper than John Kerry. He is toast.

Think it will be Rudy, McCain or someone else when the nomination is done?

PlayadelSoul · 03-14-2007

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Think it will be Rudy, McCain or someone else when the nomination is done?

I have no idea. Personally, I would like to take parts of each and mold a super candidate. McCain's respectability with Rudy's go get em atttitude and Mitt's fake hair.

**sctx** · 03-14-2007

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Think it will be Rudy, McCain or someone else when the nomination is done?

Fred thompson

PlayadelSoul · 03-14-2007

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Fred thompson

Or Condi.

**sctx** · 03-14-2007

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Or Condi.

we we're discussing that last nite.......the anti-Obama ticket

roni · 03-14-2007

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Or Condi.

As an academic, I do not think I want a Provost for President, though it would make a nifty bumper sticker

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03-07-2007	#107 (permalink)
roni Happy Curmudgeon Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Oregon Posts: 25,067	NASHVILLE, Tennessee (AP) -- A Southern Baptist leader said Tuesday that evangelical voters might tolerate a divorced presidential candidate, but they have deep doubts about GOP hopeful Rudy Giuliani, who has been married three times. Richard Land, head of public policy for the Southern Baptist Convention, told The Associated Press that evangelicals believe the former New York City mayor showed a lack of character during his divorce from his second wife, television personality Donna Hanover. "I mean, this is divorce on steroids," Land said. "To publicly humiliate your wife in that way, and your children. That's rough. I think that's going to be an awfully hard sell, even if he weren't pro-choice and pro-gun control." Giuliani married his longtime companion, Judith Nathan, in 2003. They had dated publicly while Giuliani was married to Hanover. His first marriage ended in an annulment. (Watch why Giuliani's son won't be campaigning for him Video) A Giuliani staff member referred calls on Land's statement to Giuliani's exploratory committee, which did not have an immediate response Tuesday night. Giuliani already has a challenge in winning over conservative voters who make up the GOP's base. Many of them view him with skepticism because his moderate views on social issues such as gays, guns and abortion are considered too liberal. Land noted that Republican presidential candidate John McCain has been married twice, but said the Arizona senator has acknowledged his part in the failure of his first marriage. "It's a molehill compared to Giuliani's mountain," Land said. "When you're a war hero [like McCain], you have less to prove on the character front." Many polls identify Giuliani as the front-runner in the Republican presidential primary, followed by McCain and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney. Southern Baptists have been among the most vocal of conservative Christian groups in support of the Bush administration. But they and other evangelicals are struggling to find a consensus presidential candidate who embraces their stands against gay marriage and abortion.

03-07-2007	#108 (permalink)
Cosmo añejo Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 9,471	Can't wait to see the video of him sneaking his girlfriend into the governors mansion - in the trunk of the car True story.

03-07-2007	#111 (permalink)
TAPPY añejo Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Louisiana Posts: 14,893	I dont remember the whole story...but was he not really nasty (in a public way) to his first wife (and kids) during his divorce....and now all of a sudden he thinks everything about his current rift with his son be kept private ???

03-14-2007	#113 (permalink)
roni Happy Curmudgeon Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Oregon Posts: 25,067	Clinton still Democratic front-runner, would gain votes if Gore doesn't run WASHINGTON (CNN) -- By a margin of about 15 percentage points, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton continues to lead the pack of Democratic presidential hopefuls, with Sen. Barack Obama in second place and former Vice President Al Gore and John Edwards tied for third, according to a new CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll released Wednesday. Thirty-seven percent of registered Democrats said they back Clinton as the Democratic 2008 nominee, while 22 percent named Obama, 14 percent went with Gore and 12 percent supported Edwards. But Gore has said he has no plans to run, and with his name out of the mix, Clinton's support jumps to 44 percent -- a gain of 7 percentage points, compared with a gain of only 1 for Obama. The sampling error for these questions asked of 447 registered voters who describe themselves as Democrats was plus or minus 4.5 percent. (Posted 4:07 p.m.)

03-14-2007	#114 (permalink)
PlayadelSoul añejo Join Date: May 2005 Location: We'll know when we get there, We'll find mercy Posts: 8,964	Mitt Romney is a bigger flip flopper than John Kerry. He is toast.

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