USA Presidential Politics - 2008

[roni]

Originally Posted by Jacko

Isn't that exactly what happened to Hillary in Pa? Did Pa. hurt Hillary or help her? Hmmmmmmm

(and roni, it is ..well...er.....clumsy of you to assume I am not well acquainted with the facts before I speak)....

Well, then why did you say he maintained his lead, when it has been cut in more than half

PA helped her. A lot.

[Jacko]

Originally Posted by roni

Well, then why did you say he maintained his lead, when it has been cut in more than half

PA helped her. A lot.

Because he has maintained his lead...both in NC and nationally. (I was actually speaking about his national lead when I wrote that)

NC will help Obama....A lot.

You do recognize the similarities to PA., yes?

[roni]

Originally Posted by roni

Well, then why did you say he maintained his lead, when it has been cut in more than half

PA helped her. A lot.

Originally Posted by Jacko

Because he has maintained his lead...both in NC and nationally. (I was actually speaking about his national lead when I wrote that)

Okay Jacko

Whatever you say

And Clinton is beating McCain by a wider margin than Obama, in national polls.

[Jacko]

Originally Posted by roni

Okay Jacko

Whatever you say

Thanks for that, roni....I am glad you finally understand...

[roni]

Originally Posted by Jacko

Thanks for that, roni....I am glad you finally understand...

People wanna write stuff that does not seem consistent with what is going on, who am I to object. Heck, I have been vigorously accused of doing just that

[Jacko]

Originally Posted by roni

Okay Jacko

Whatever you say

And Clinton is beating McCain by a wider margin than Obama, in national polls.

IMO, That is only because Obama is the front runner..if Clinton were the front runner, the media would make toast out of her just like they did last time she was the front runner.....in fact, they are off working her over right now on the heals of her success in PA...lets watch how this plays out....it will be interesting to watch indeed. The key here is that they are BOTH beating McCain.

[Jacko]

Originally Posted by roni

People wanna write stuff that does not seem consistent with what is going on, who am I to object. Heck, I have been vigorously accused of doing just that

I think you just have a difficult time seeing anything differently than what you have pre-programmed in your head....that is the only consistent thing that is going on here. You just keep on going on with your passive aggressive comments poor roni....I actually find it all great fun....

[ryberg]

Simple faulty reasonng to say the race is tightening, or to assume that that means the outcome is in question. It ignores the whole of the campaign up to the point. It's like looking at a football game in the final quarter and saying, "wow, team Y has really tightened up the game and is playing team X pretty evenly over these last couple of drives" and acting as if that can make some difference, even though team Y did so well over the entire course of the game that they're up by 3-4 touchdowns.

Many is the fan who has noted how well his team plays over the final stretch of the season, though not well enough to make up for all the losses they suffered earlier. But they understand that it's how you do over the whole course of the season that's what matters. Early season wins or first quarter points are hardly irrelevant just because they're not as recent.

Steve

[roni]

Originally Posted by Jacko

I think you just have a difficult time seeing anything differently than what you have pre-programmed in your head....that is the only consistent thing that is going on here. You just keep on going on with your passive aggressive comments poor roni....I actually find it all great fun....

No Jacko, that is not right.

I am reading the polls as they come out and reporting on them.

The polls are not pre-programmed, they report what they find. I report them. I do a little interpretation, but not much. I particularly like when the data are disaggregated by various demographic variables. That is when you really learn some important things.

Politics is a business of numbers, and it is important to pay attention to numbers as they change and emerge.

Got nothing to do with pre-conceived notions or pre-programmed whatever you were insulting with

I am really offended by the way, why don't you just go ahead and call me a dirty big-footed white boy

[Jacko]

Originally Posted by roni

No Jacko, that is not right.

I am reading the polls as they come out and reporting on them.

The polls are not pre-programmed, they report what they find. I report them. I do a little interpretation, but not much. I particularly like when the data are disaggregated by various demographic variables. That is when you really learn some important things.

Politics is a business of numbers, and it is important to pay attention to numbers as they change and emerge.

Got nothing to do with pre-conceived notions or pre-programmed whatever you were insulting with

I am really offended by the way, why don't you just go ahead and call me a dirty big-footed white boy

Sure you are, roni...just reporting on the polls and that's it...you big-footed white boy you...and I don't care that you are offended by this.

(look up the defination of "maintain" again and see if you can find some understanding start to emerge) That is when the really important learning starts to happen.

[roni]

Originally Posted by Jacko

Sure you are, roni...just reporting on the polls and that's it...you big-footed white boy you...and I don't care that you are offended.

(look up the defination of "maintain" again and see if you can find some understanding start to emerge) That is when the really important learning starts to happen.

I never figgered you for that kind of fella, Mr. Jacko, Sir.

Look at the graph and tell me that looks like he has not lost significant ground in North Carolina. Just tell me that.

[Jacko]

Originally Posted by roni

I never figgered you for that kind of fella, Mr. Jacko, Sir.

Look at the graph and tell me that looks like he has not lost significant ground in North Carolina. Just tell me that.

I didn't say that roni, sir....in fact, I equated it to Pa and Hillary losing ground there...were you listening there, roni, sir?

[StewartG]

Originally Posted by pslucky

It seems like everyone is being super critical of Stewart.

Thanks, by the way.

(The check is in the mail!)

[ryberg]

And many are the times fans have watched their team go into halftime about even and still in it (think Super Tuesday), then watched in horror as it seemed they didn't have much more than that in them and started getting blown out in the 3rd quarter and following (think Obama's 11 in a row following Super Tuesday in Feb).

It's worse in Clinton's case, of course, as they were so foolish as to trash talk and claim it would all be over at halftime and have no game plan for the second half. Furthermore, continuing the metaphor, they announced that field goals (small states, caucus states, etc) didn't, to their minds, really count. They just sort of forgot to clear that point with the rule makers and scorekeepers, and watched seemingly frozen as their opponent racked up a ton of them.

Now it's late in the 4th quarter and frantic scrambling and never say die spirit have kept them from losing more ground. That doesn't stop the clock, however, or erase the lead that has been run up on them. They blew it. They were heavy favorites and they blew it, to an opponent who took the game seriously and executed an intelligent game plan almost flawlessly while they were screwing around. Doesn't matter how well they play in the final couple of minutes left. That cannot make up for everything before that, and its delusional wishful thinking to suggest otherwise.

Steve

[Jacko]

Originally Posted by StewartG

Thanks, by the way.

(The check is in the mail!)

ahem......