USA Presidential Politics - 2008

[roni]

Originally Posted by Jacko

Well, I just thought I would throw it out there to see if any cultural components out there might find it within their internal or external locus of control to at least consider the socio-pyschological possibilities of such a union....

Well Jacko,

You make it difficult for me to say anything that would appropriately express my distaste at your attempted display of ridicule that someone here would try to carry the discussion to concepts relating to the election but that go a step or two beyond those of Obama adoration or Clinton supporting; so I won't even try to

Disappointed in you again, I am.

[Jacko]

Originally Posted by roni

Well Jacko,

You make it difficult for me to say anything that would appropriately express my distaste at your attempted display of ridicule that someone here would try to carry the discussion to concepts relating to the election but that go a step or two beyond of those Obama adoration or Clinton supporting; so I won't even try to

Disappointed in you again, I am.

Just funnin' with you a bit here, roni....I am sorry I disappoint you though...I actually thought I did my part to move toward Clinton adoration here.

[roni]

Originally Posted by Jacko

Just funnin' with you a bit here, roni....I am sorry I disappoint you though...I actually thought I did my part to move toward Clinton adoration here.

I'll accept that Jacko, cause we have hung out here some - but understand my sensitivity to stuff that sounds anything like anti-academic, anti-intellectual, anti-elitist talk

[pslucky]

Originally Posted by ryberg

Wow, I just read the actual quote from Clinton today, where she talks about, you know, "working, hard-working Americans, white Americans..."

It's hard not to think that Dick Morris was right about the Clintons and race since it started...

Steve

Hey, I'm a little slow on the uptake here. Where is this quote? And what was the context?

[Just Lucky]

Originally Posted by pslucky

Hey, I'm a little slow on the uptake here. Where is this quote? And what was the context?

In case Steve is busy here you go:

"Senator Obama's support among working, hardworking Americans, white Americans, is weakening again ... there's a pattern here," Clinton was quoted as saying.

Clinton says Obama's support among working, white Americans has diminished - International Herald Tribune

[roni]

Originally Posted by Jacko

Ed Kilgore on the Unity Ticket


I know this is a deeply unpopular, even infuriating, suggestion to many Obama supporters who've watched the Clinton campaign savage their champion for many months. Indeed, some of them think the vanquishing of the Clintons from power in the Democratic Party is the whole point of the Obama "movement." Why, many ask, should Obama take on Hillary's "baggage" after finally defeating her at the cost of so much blood, sweat, tears, money, and approval-ratings points?

...........................


Symbolism aside, Hillary Clinton would bring some tangible political assets to the Democratic ticket. Even if you dismiss her relative strength in the primaries among white working-class voters, older voters, Appalachians, or Catholics as ephemeral or irrelevant to a general election campaign, there is simply no denying her personal and positive appeal to professional women and Latinos, with whom she has generated as much excitement as Obama has among younger voters and African-Americans. She would also bring some national security street cred to the ticket, which is an Obama vulnerability that I suspect is being underappreciated at the moment.

I think a good case can be made supporting that point of view. A real good case.

It is not the only case to be made, though I think it is the one that comes the closest to bringing a Democratic party victory.

The one I feel most attracted to is a Obama-Richarson ticket-of-color.

Get 70-75% of the combined African=American and Latino vote (25% of the electorate) and F*ck all the White Peoples

That is the one that feels most satisfying to me

[pslucky]

Originally Posted by Just Lucky

In case Steve is busy here you go:

Clinton says Obama's support among working, white Americans has diminished - International Herald Tribune

Well, thanks.

[roni]

Originally Posted by Just Lucky

In case Steve is busy here you go:

Clinton says Obama's support among working, white Americans has diminished - International Herald Tribune

I believe the data from the Democratic primaries may support that statement.

We may not like that, but as a professional researcher, re-stating the data is not nefarious.

[Jacko]

Originally Posted by roni

I'll accept that Jacko, cause we have hung out here some - but understand my sensitivity to stuff that sounds anything like anti-academic, anti-intellectual, anti-elitist talk

and I, a lesser educated, plain-spoken boy, confess a sensitivity to what at times can seem like patronizing, passive-aggressive, elitist repartee from a man only slightly my elder who one might think would not present himself so apparently superior .

Never anti-intellectual, nor anti-academic....but I do confess a weakness towards anti-elitism (at least in the anti-supercilious definition of that) .

[Just Lucky]

Originally Posted by roni

I believe the data from the Democratic primaries may support that statement.

We may not like that, but as a professional researcher, re-stating the data is not nefarious.

Since you are so familiar with the demographics of the campaign. Would you answer the question I asked earlier about the level of support amongst the lowest economic strata for each candidate.

Or, might I sound like a tweed wearing Marxist for bringing it up?

[roni]

Originally Posted by Jacko

and I, a lesser educated, plain-spoken boy, confess a sensitivity to what at times can seem like patronizing, passive-aggressive, elitist repartee from a man only slightly my elder who one might think would not present himself so apparently superior .

Never anti-intellectual, nor anti-academic....but I do confess a weakness towards anti-elitism (at least in the anti-supercilious definition of that) .

S*hit Jacko

I used to drink with the construction guys after I got off my 11-7 shift at the hospital when I was a college student.

I fully understand anti-elite stuff, I work among the elites and live in a mixed blue-collar, white-collar neighborhood. I am both, and solidly middle-class economically - one of those guys who is kinda prepared for disaster as long as it didn't last very long.

[roni]

Originally Posted by Just Lucky

Since you are so familiar with the demographics of the campaign. Would you answer the question I asked earlier about the level of support amongst the lowest economic strata for each candidate.

Or, might I sound like a tweed wearing Marxist for bringing it up?

I don't know. My impression from reading the exit polls is that Clinton has stronger support there than does Obama. Is you impression the same?

If you disaggregate the data by race/ethnicity, I would hypothesize there would be significant differences when comparing lower economic strata by race/ethnic categories. Do you think that would be the case?

[Just Lucky]

Originally Posted by roni

I don't know. My impression from reading the exit polls is that Clinton has stronger support there than does Obama. Is you impression the same?

If you disaggregate the data by race/ethnicity, I would hypothesize there would be significant differences when comparing lower economic strata by race/ethnic categories. Do you think that would be the case?

Why is it necessary for the media or Senator Clinton to disaggregate the data by race?

[roni]

Originally Posted by Just Lucky

Why is it necessary for the media or Senator Clinton to disaggregate the data by race?

Senator Obama is doing the same, I assure you.

It is what researchers do. It is significant and,

Politics is a business of numbers.

But, I suspect you knew the answer when you asked the question and as John Prine wrote

"A question isn't really a question
When you know the answer too"

[ryberg]

I like that: "There's a pattern here."

There's a pattern here, all right: a pattern of racist-compatible statements, always made in a way as to leave them plausible deniabiliity, of course.

I wonder why those blacks and Asians and Latinos and Native Americans out there in America can't be hard-working!

Steve