USA Presidential Politics - 2008 - Page 908

**ryberg** · 05-30-2008

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Originally Posted by Jacko

Thanks, man..I woulda never known without your lesson.

Old news: Obama long ago pointed out that his supporters, according to Clinton's, must all be delusional. I believe that was the OH debate, wasn't it?

Steve

Jacko · 05-30-2008

All y'all cabal buddies have sweet dreams of where we might be by the end of next week...back on the same side again...finally!

Nite all.

Jacko · 05-30-2008

One last thing..Stewart, its time to stop your giggling now over Clinton's lawyer Lyn Utrecht's strange statement....

roni · 05-30-2008

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Originally Posted by Jacko

Thanks, man..I woulda never known without your lesson.

Coming from the master quoter, linker of information and giver of lessons on all sorts of important things, this is a real compliment.

Thank you Jacko

StewartG · 05-31-2008

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Originally Posted by Jacko

One last thing..Stewart, its time to stop your giggling now over Clinton's lawyer Lyn Utrecht's strange statement....

tee hee!

**ryberg** · 05-31-2008

Something just came satisfyingly clear as I was listening to Alexis Herman, chair of the Dems' RBC, explain more of the background re MI & FL. She notes that they listened to presentations from quite a number of states -- 16, I believe she said -- who argued that they should each be 1 of the 2 states whose contests would be moved forward in the schedule into the range of dates closer to those of traditionally first IA & NH. She said there was quite a vigorous competition on the way to the additional primary state of SC and the additional caucus state of NV winning and being moved forward.

So, you know, an open and vigorous contest that the big, powerful states of MI & FL failed to win over smaller states with better arguments, and that they then got upset about and called unfair, refusing to recognize that they just lost.

No wonder Clinton identifies so closely wth them!

Steve

**ryberg** · 05-31-2008

There you go: Obama in agreement with the petition to reinstate half of FL's delegates. Wexler was a great choice!

Edit: Wow, anyone else watching this? Who knew political party rules committee meetings could be so riveting?!? Wexler turns out to have been a spectacular choice by the Obama campaign!

By stark contrast, Clinton man Ickes... Well he turns out to be not only focused on more obfuscation and lying to the people (which thankfully Wexler called him out on), but moreover just a horse's ass! Just plain left Wexler and the discussion hanging and refused to continue talking to him!

Wow...

Steve

**ryberg** · 05-31-2008

And wow again...

You guys know how to tell when Harold Ickes is lying or otherwise trying to mislead people?
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Yeah...

Luckily they're calling him out on it again:

"You're calling for fair reflection of a flawed primary. What we're trying to do is bring the party together for the election in November . . . We're trying to unify the party. Don't disunify us."

Steve

Just Lucky · 05-31-2008

Well the Times is pointing out the nomination is pretty well settled. Something that's pretty obvious to me for some time.

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The most fiery and exhausting presidential primary campaign in at least a generation is sputtering to an end, with Senator Barack Obama likely to gain enough delegates to claim the Democratic nomination later this week as the party faces another drama: how, when and even whether Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton will depart the race.

Montana and South Dakota will vote Tuesday, after Puerto Rico does so on Sunday, finishing a process that began precisely five months ago to the day in Iowa. Even if those results do not put Mr. Obama over the top, aides to both Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton said they expect enough superdelegates to rally behind Mr. Obama in the 48 hours after the final primaries to allow him to proclaim himself the nominee.

Interesting tidbit:

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Indeed, the talk in Mrs. Clinton’s headquarters has turned from the primary to more mundane matters: the next job, who Mr. Obama might hire from the Clinton campaign, and even where to go on vacation.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/01/us...hp&oref=slogin

roni · 06-01-2008

Obama resigns from his church.

I think the resignation is probably a net negative for the general election campaign, after saying not too long ago that he would not leave his church - said that in his Philly speech, didn't he?

What do you think.

beerbreath · 06-01-2008

To be honest,the whole church thing was never a big deal for me.But leaving the church now,should make it a non-issue for the general election.

I just hope that Tuesday night Barack can give his victory speech.

Jacko · 06-01-2008

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Originally Posted by roni

Obama resigns from his church.

I think the resignation is probably a net negative for the general election campaign, after saying not too long ago that he would not leave his church - said that in his Philly speech, didn't he?

What do you think.

I believe in the separation of church and state.

beerbreath · 06-01-2008

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Originally Posted by Jacko

I believe in the separation of church and state.

roni · 06-01-2008

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Originally Posted by Jacko

I believe in the separation of church and state.

I do too, but campaigning is more like wanting to become the state rather than being the state

Jacko · 06-01-2008

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Originally Posted by roni

I do too, but campaigning is more like wanting to become the state rather than being the state

I still believe in separation of church and state....even when campaigning.

05-31-2008	#13611 (permalink)
ryberg playa maya guy Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: wandering between the Village Vanguard, NYC, 1961 and the Plugged Nickel, Chicago, 1965 Posts: 10,468	Something just came satisfyingly clear as I was listening to Alexis Herman, chair of the Dems' RBC, explain more of the background re MI & FL. She notes that they listened to presentations from quite a number of states -- 16, I believe she said -- who argued that they should each be 1 of the 2 states whose contests would be moved forward in the schedule into the range of dates closer to those of traditionally first IA & NH. She said there was quite a vigorous competition on the way to the additional primary state of SC and the additional caucus state of NV winning and being moved forward. So, you know, an open and vigorous contest that the big, powerful states of MI & FL failed to win over smaller states with better arguments, and that they then got upset about and called unfair, refusing to recognize that they just lost. No wonder Clinton identifies so closely wth them! Steve Last edited by ryberg : 05-31-2008 at 09:40 AM.

05-31-2008	#13612 (permalink)
ryberg playa maya guy Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: wandering between the Village Vanguard, NYC, 1961 and the Plugged Nickel, Chicago, 1965 Posts: 10,468	There you go: Obama in agreement with the petition to reinstate half of FL's delegates. Wexler was a great choice! Edit: Wow, anyone else watching this? Who knew political party rules committee meetings could be so riveting?!? Wexler turns out to have been a spectacular choice by the Obama campaign! By stark contrast, Clinton man Ickes... Well he turns out to be not only focused on more obfuscation and lying to the people (which thankfully Wexler called him out on), but moreover just a horse's ass! Just plain left Wexler and the discussion hanging and refused to continue talking to him! Wow... Steve Last edited by ryberg : 05-31-2008 at 11:33 AM.

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05-30-2008	#13607 (permalink)
Jacko añejo Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 17,949	All y'all cabal buddies have sweet dreams of where we might be by the end of next week...back on the same side again...finally! Nite all.

05-30-2008	#13608 (permalink)
Jacko añejo Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 17,949	One last thing..Stewart, its time to stop your giggling now over Clinton's lawyer Lyn Utrecht's strange statement....

05-31-2008	#13613 (permalink)
ryberg playa maya guy Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: wandering between the Village Vanguard, NYC, 1961 and the Plugged Nickel, Chicago, 1965 Posts: 10,468	And wow again... You guys know how to tell when Harold Ickes is lying or otherwise trying to mislead people? ... ... ... ... ... ... Yeah... Luckily they're calling him out on it again: "You're calling for fair reflection of a flawed primary. What we're trying to do is bring the party together for the election in November . . . We're trying to unify the party. Don't disunify us." Steve

06-01-2008	#13615 (permalink)
roni Happy Curmudgeon Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Oregon Posts: 25,416	Obama resigns from his church. I think the resignation is probably a net negative for the general election campaign, after saying not too long ago that he would not leave his church - said that in his Philly speech, didn't he? What do you think.

06-01-2008	#13616 (permalink)
beerbreath life=playa Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: South Florida Posts: 957	To be honest,the whole church thing was never a big deal for me.But leaving the church now,should make it a non-issue for the general election. I just hope that Tuesday night Barack can give his victory speech.

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