USA Presidential Politics - 2008

[Just Lucky]

Well these Rpublican button folks have links to the state Republican websites on their site. According to the Dallas paper they were also selling a button that said this:

One said, "Press 1 for English. Press 2 for Deportation"

It wasn't long ago the Democrats on this forum for things that were being done by MoveOn and stupid stuff written as anonymous comments on The Daily Kos.

This is nothing new for Republicans in Texas. Many are very straight forward about their racism. In fact it is "old school" politics in Texas. I can't believe you don't think we should be upset about racism Mark.

[ryberg]

Originally Posted by Welshly Squirt

Again, bullshit.

From the website of the company selling the pin.



Of course, talking about a new form of politics is so much easier than actually practicing it. A simple search of the company name would have led you to the fact that the pin is not being sold by TX Republicans or the GOP. Instead, you chose to present it as fact. Politics as usual, with new players who think that because they tell you that it is "new and improved", that you will believe it. Same old laundry detergent in a new box.

Wow, the BS meter is really through the roof!

And did you have a very bad day, or what?

Let's review: I said

Brought to you by your friends at the Texas GOP convention.

This was based on having seen the Ben Smith Politico blog comment

On sale at the Texas GOP convention.

which itself was based on a Dallas Morning News report if the same thing.

You blew up at me, saying I knew damned well that this button was being sold outside the convention hall, a distinction I never mentioned either way (read the above quotes again). Then you proceeded to tell me that I was full of BS for practicing the same old politics (though you offered no criticism of anyone selling that pin!) and began lambasting Obama. Now you offer more of the same.

Do you think these weren't Republicans, making and selling this pin? I mean, according to the DMN report, "Republican" is part of their name, apart from the fact that they were indeed at the Texas GOP convention... Do you think it's some sort of new politics to put such stuff on a pin being sold at a state party convention? How could it be old politics to decry such things?

Your reaction is mystifying...

Steve

[melliedee]

This election is going to try us as a country as to what is acceptable, and what we thought of as a long gone legacy of racism will rear it's head. It is a needed conversation, but it will be messy.

[sctx]

Originally Posted by Just Lucky

This is nothing new for Republicans in Texas. Many are very straight forward about their racism. In fact it is "old school" politics in Texas. I can't believe you don't think we should be upset about racism Mark.

old school politics in Texas???....... you mean as devised by the old school Democrats

[Jacko]

Originally Posted by melliedee

This is how I heard the story:



TRAIL BLAZERS Blog | The Dallas Morning News

From Here

GOP convention button asks, ‘If Obama is president…will we still call it the White House?’»


A booth at this weekend’s Texas Republican convention sold buttons asking, “If Obama Is President…Will We Still Call It The White House?”:

The company that makes the buttons boasts providing “Patriotic and Republican Products.” Another button they sell features a picture of Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY), with the phrase: “Life’s a b**ch, don’t vote for one.” (HT: AmericaBlog)

[sctx]

Originally Posted by Jacko

“Life’s a b**ch, don’t vote for one.”

oh wow.... I want one

[melliedee]

Originally Posted by sctx

oh wow.... I want one

What's the old playground retort? Oh yeah, that's so funny I forgot to laugh.

[Jacko]

Originally Posted by melliedee

This election is going to try us as a country as to what is acceptable, and what we thought of as a long gone legacy of racism will rear it's head. It is a needed conversation, but it will be messy.

It would be nice if decent people from both sides would more routinely protest the BS itself, rather than spending their time claiming that somehow we are not responsible....I know some may think this is old-fashioned, or claim it as old-school politics...but why can't we all stand up against this crap...whether it be by a vendor in a GOP convention hall or in our local communities..whether it is bigotry by liberals, or by conservatives..it is still blatant bigotry and should be clearly condemed by reasonable people.

I mean Welshy's protest seems to miss the point IMO..why is he not angry that these folks were not asked to leave?

[Just Lucky]

Originally Posted by sctx

old school politics in Texas???....... you mean as devised by the old school Democrats

Well as you know Democrats in Texas hold few offices. Remember the anti-gay propaganda being used by GW Bush when he ran for Governor? The right in Texas seems to mostly agree with racism if they let the buttons be sold at their convention. I wonder if the concession paid a percentage back to the Texas GOP?

[ryberg]

Originally Posted by melliedee

This election is going to try us as a country as to what is acceptable, and what we thought of as a long gone legacy of racism will rear it's head. It is a needed conversation, but it will be messy.

Just for the record, it's not like I was shocked (in the sense of greatly surprised) at seeing the button. I mean, racism is always to some degree shocking to me, but we've already seen some and you definitely expect it, given Obama's race/ethnicity, and you know, nobody is exactly surprised to see a southern US state be the origin of such a story, particularly where a conservative group is involved.

I think we'll see worse things. I think the email that was passed around to me was worse, along these lines, and by a good chunk, too.

If you're a liberal, of course, there's even a kind of... I don't know what the right word for it is... maybe a feeling of being vindicated, or something -- a kind of "Ha -- I told you so!" feeling -- to seeing something like this connected to a GOP convention, maybe particularly in a southern state. Like many comments on the Politico link say, "Keep it up, Republicans! Show people your true colors!" or things along that line.

Anyway, just rambling, but I was much more struck and confused by your reaction, Mark, than by the thing itself.

Steve

[sctx]

Originally Posted by melliedee

What's the old playground retort? Oh yeah, that's so funny I forgot to laugh.

hay, there's enough GW bashin stuff on the market, lemme enjoy my Hillary bashin stuff

[melliedee]

Originally Posted by Jacko

It would be nice if decent people from both sides would more routinely protest the BS itself, rather than spending their time claiming that somehow we are not responsible....I know some may think this is old-fashioned, or claim it as old-school politics...but why can't we all stand up against this crap...whether it be by a vendor in a GOP convention hall or in our local communities..whether it is bigotry by liberals, or by conservatives..it is still blatant bigotry and should be clearly condemed by reasonable people.

I mean Welshy's protest seems to miss the point IMO..why is he not angry that the these folks were not asked to leave?

I dunno, Jacko. In our climate of guilt by association and denouncing endorsers, it gets fuzzy. IMO, the GOP will court the racist vote at the peril of being on the wrong side of decency and they probably know it. They probably also know that a lot of folks will buy and proudly wear that pin.

[sctx]

Originally Posted by Just Lucky

Well as you know Democrats in Texas hold few offices. Remember the anti-gay propaganda being used by GW Bush when he ran for Governor? The right in Texas seems to mostly agree with racism if they let the buttons be sold at their convention. I wonder if the concession paid a percentage back to the Texas GOP?

"old school" in Texas refers to the Democrat party.... you know that...... now, if you woulda said "new school", I might have agreed

[Jacko]

Originally Posted by melliedee

I dunno, Jacko. In our climate of guilt by association and denouncing endorsers, it gets fuzzy. IMO, the GOP will court the racist vote at the peril of being on the wrong side of decency and they probably know it. They probably also know that a lot of folks will buy and proudly wear that pin.

Buy it...perhaps..so they can laugh about it in private with their bigoted friends...wear it in public? I doubt these type of people are up to it.

I would still like to believe that most conservatives are decent people, if not seriously off-track the last few election cycles based upon the fears generated by 9/11 that allowed the "confused" Bush reactions......but I must say that Mark's reaction floors me as well.

[melliedee]

Originally Posted by sctx

hay, there's enough GW bashin stuff on the market, lemme enjoy my Hillary bashin stuff

It is the enjoyment which bothers me (not you, personally, Scott, just in general). I might think W has been a bad president, but I take no enjoyment from his dismal ratings or jokes about his person or family.