USA Presidential Politics - 2008

[horizon200]

Originally Posted by Just Lucky

I don't know which figures you are talking about, this what is on the the USA Today web site.

Poll: Convention lifts McCain over Obama - USATODAY.com

I think this is because of the post convention bump. The excitement created in the press over Governor Palin is certainly part of it. I looked a few days ago, it seemed like most of the articles in the print media about the race were about her. While there is a chance she might become President if something should happen to Senator McCain were they to be elected, she is not running for President. She is not the issue, the stances she takes and her very limited history of service are issues along with the ethics investigation.

Nevertheless, McCain is running for President and I feel the focus of the press and by extension our discussions should focus on he and Obama. The odd little stories which keep coming out about Palin are imo a distraction, possibly purposeful, which cloud the real issue of which candidate has the best real plan for change. Both campaigns acknowledge that change is what the American people want.

If we look at it from a simple type of comparison, assuming that there are two parties one of which has been in power for eight years and done a very poor job, some would say disastrous. Would it be logical for voters who truly desire change to vote for the party which has been in control of the policies which so negatively impacted the country or the opposition party which actually has new and different plans for our future?

I believe the American people will vote for change and that Barack Obama will be the next President of the United States.

Originally Posted by ryberg

Well maybe that article is schizophrenic, because what I'm seeing, and what's being logged on RCP, as well, is

Again, that CW that Dems ought to be 20 points ahead is silly. Overlooks a whole host of things, some of which we've known for quite a while, such as that the country is quite evenly and quite bitterly divided, and that a lot more people claim to be independent and to vote the candidate, not the party, than really do.

And this is before we even factor in for example that Obama is black and trying to do what no black person has ever done before. One could just as easily argue that Republicans should be winning.

And Zoom, McCain brags about how much like Bush he is. Haven't you seen that Obama commercial? Or this independently produce one (about due for a rerun here, I'd say):

Steve

I think the difference is what the poll is questioning. One polls Registered voters and the other voters most likely to vote...they have often been differnent over thee past few months.

[Just Lucky]

Should anyone be interested in seeing it here is the section of the interview where Obama talks about Republicans attempting to paint him as a Muslim in an effort to sway voters away from him.

It is a bit longer than the previously posted video. I find it deeply ironic that a plea for honesty has turned into something the right is using a few seconds of in an effort to appeal to bigots within our population.

It is I think, also intended to distract people from the fact that Republicans are running on almost exactly the same platform they've held for over the last years. I do not find it surprising that the shorter clip with the gaffe posted earlier appeals to bigots in our midst.

Shame on them. We as a country, are better than that.

ABC News

[Sol]

Originally Posted by Just Lucky

Should anyone be interested in seeing it here is the section of the interview where Obama talks about Republicans attempting to paint him as a Muslim in an effort to sway voters away from him.

It is a bit longer than the previously posted video. I find it deeply ironic that a plea for honesty has turned into something the right is using a few seconds of in an effort to appeal to bigots within our population.

It is I think, also intended to distract people from the fact that Republicans are running on almost exactly the same platform they've held for over the last years. I do not find it surprising that the shorter clip with the gaffe posted earlier appeals to bigots in our midst.

Shame on them. We as a country, are better than that.

ABC News

It's recycling of smut at its best. For months now, it has been the same old tired news that Obama is a Muslim even though its been proven time and time again that he is not. Very sad.

[UGAplaya]

Originally Posted by Just Lucky

Should anyone be interested in seeing it here is the section of the interview where Obama talks about Republicans attempting to paint him as a Muslim in an effort to sway voters away from him.

It is a bit longer than the previously posted video. I find it deeply ironic that a plea for honesty has turned into something the right is using a few seconds of in an effort to appeal to bigots within our population.

It is I think, also intended to distract people from the fact that Republicans are running on almost exactly the same platform they've held for over the last years. I do not find it surprising that the shorter clip with the gaffe posted earlier appeals to bigots in our midst.

Shame on them. We as a country, are better than that.

ABC News

Just curious, but what would him being Muslim have to do with people not voting for him????? Are you saying that people only vote for non Muslims?

[ryberg]

Originally Posted by horizon200

I think the difference is what the poll is questioning. One polls Registered voters and the other voters most likely to vote...they have often been differnent over thee past few months.

Yes, I noted there was some difference, there, but didn't go into it. Thanks.

Originally Posted by Just Lucky

Should anyone be interested in seeing it here is the section of the interview where Obama talks about Republicans attempting to paint him as a Muslim in an effort to sway voters away from him.

It is a bit longer than the previously posted video. I find it deeply ironic that a plea for honesty has turned into something the right is using a few seconds of in an effort to appeal to bigots within our population.

It is I think, also intended to distract people from the fact that Republicans are running on almost exactly the same platform they've held for over the last years. I do not find it surprising that the shorter clip with the gaffe posted earlier appeals to bigots in our midst.

Shame on them. We as a country, are better than that.

ABC News

Well, many on the right are not better than that, obviously.

"The McCain campaign has never suggested you have Muslim connections," said Mr. Stephanopoulos, who repeatedly interrupted Mr. Obama during the interview.

"I don't think that when you look at what is being promulgated on Fox News, let's say, and Republican commentators who are closely allied to these folks," Mr Obama responded, and Mr. Stephanopoulos interrupted: "But John McCain said that's wrong."

Mr. Obama noted that when Republican vice presidential nominee Gov. Sarah Palin "was forced" to talk about her pregnant 17-year-old daughter, he issued a forceful statement to reporters that the line of inquiry was "off limits." But he said the McCain campaign tried to tie him to "liberal blogs that support Obama" and are "attacking Governor Palin."

"Let's not play games," he said. "What I was suggesting -- you're absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith. And you're absolutely right that that has not come."

Mr. Stephanopoulos interrupted with, "Christian faith."

"My Christian faith," Mr. Obama said quickly. "Well, what I'm saying is that he hasn't suggested that I'm a Muslim. And I think that his campaign's upper echelons have not, either. What I think is fair to say is that, coming out of the Republican camp, there have been efforts to suggest that perhaps I'm not who I say I am when it comes to my faith -- something which I find deeply offensive, and that has been going on for a pretty long time."

The idiot here is Stephanopoulos, "correcting" a statement that wasn't incorrect in the first place.

Steve

[ryberg]

Originally Posted by UGAplaya

Just curious, but what would him being Muslim have to do with people not voting for him????? Are you saying that people only vote for non Muslims?

Talk about recycling crap. This from you is just the whole middle name charade, redux.

I think if I were a thinking person on the right, I'd be tempted to join the left just to avoid being associated with the likes of the people doing this kind of thing, just out of sheer self respect.

Steve

[UGAplaya]

Originally Posted by ryberg

Talk about recycling crap. This from you is just the whole middle name charade, redux.

I think if I were a thinking person on the right, I'd be tempted to join the left just to avoid being associated with the likes of the people doing this kind of thing, just out of sheer self respect.

Steve

LOL. B. Hussein Obama ISN"T a Muslim. He's just easily confused about things and he gets rattled easily without a teleprompter. But other than that, he should make a great leader. LOL

[StewartG]

Originally Posted by Rissask

reading the comments underneath that stupid You Tube clip is just freaking sad. So many people seem to really think he is a Muslim, or think that it even matters if he is.


But at the same time, you have to ask- since perception matters so much, and there are a lot of ignorant voters out there- why DID the Dems pick as a leader someone with so many strikes against him?

Basically, I think we just let the nomination process play out...

In any event, if you think Obama has strikes against him - have you considered the strikes against Hillary?

I think Obama and Hillary would both make excellent presidents. I did not have strong feelings either way about either of these candidates based on their positions, experience, etc. I would have considered either one a "grand slam" for our nation.

The reason I ended up backing Obama was based on my perception of electability. Conservatives have had over 15 years to demonize Hillary and create MASSIVE unfair and unwarranted stereotypes about her. Among righties, she is almost universally despised (look, for example, at the history of Mr. Cancun's avatars and posts about her as one example) and would have SERIOUSLY energized the Republicans this election cycle.

[Just Lucky]

Originally Posted by UGAplaya

Just curious, but what would him being Muslim have to do with people not voting for him????? Are you saying that people only vote for non Muslims?

I'm not playing this game. We all know that many people in the US have a fear or even a hatred of Muslims. We are after all, at war in two Muslim countries.

Please do not be disengenuous. Folks who have read even a few of your posts know exactly where you are coming from.

Why is it you are afraid to talk about the real issues that confront our country's future? Could it be that there is nothing new from the Republican camp?

[ryberg]

Originally Posted by UGAplaya

LOL. B. Hussein Obama ISN"T a Muslim. He's just easily confused about things and he gets rattled easily without a teleprompter. But other than that, he should make a great leader. LOL

Well again it seems clear that there are quite a number of people in this country who need a black man with a middle name like Hussein to be president more than this country might benefit from Obama or McCain or any other particular candidate as its political leader, right now.

Is the plebiscite still postponed until after we see the results of the election, or...?

Steve

[TJordan]

Originally Posted by Just Lucky

Why is it you are afraid to talk about the real issues that confront our country's future. Could it be that there is nothing new from the Republican camp?

That is EXACTLY it.

He has been beating this issue to death already.

[Daddy B]

Originally Posted by TJordan

That is EXACTLY it.

He has been beating this issue to death already.

Proof that there is no god to spare us. Oooops, pot and kettle...

[ryberg]

Just a thought: I recall on past occasions -- for example when MoveOn put out it's infamous "Betray Us" ad -- that many of the incensed on the right cried out for those on the left, even if not associated with MoveOn, to denounce them and their unfair, extremist views and smear tactics against an honorable man. And this was also in evidence here on this forum, and many on the left did reply with criticism of that ad or with comments pointing out that MoveOn did not represent their views and so forth, to distance themselves and the majority of their side from such.

So I just wonder at the lack of a single such critical comment from anyone on the right here regarding this latest round of stupidity and smearing by their brethren of an honorable figure on the left of the aisle, one that in fact was attempting to honor and show due respect for their own candidate with the remarks in question. Does that in fact indicate tacit approval of such tactics or even outright support of them and agreement with those perpetrating them, as was alleged by the right of the left in that MoveOn case and in others?

Steve

[UGAplaya]

LOL. Issues are discussed here about 10% of the time. The rest of the time it's all about name calling and talking about the latest blunder from one side or the other. It's just that lately it's been heavy on the B. Hussein Obama side. :-)

[See Turtle]

Originally Posted by UGAplaya

Just curious, but what would him being Muslim have to do with people not voting for him????? Are you saying that people only vote for non Muslims?

Originally Posted by UGAplaya

LOL. B. Hussein Obama ISN"T a Muslim. He's just easily confused about things and he gets rattled easily without a teleprompter. But other than that, he should make a great leader. LOL

Originally Posted by UGAplaya

LOL. Issues are discussed here about 10% of the time. The rest of the time it's all about name calling and talking about the latest blunder from one side or the other. It's just that lately it's been heavy on the B. Hussein Obama side. :-)

You make me tired and sad.