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Old 02-27-2007   #61 (permalink)
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I think heres your answer Jacko...How are the other households in Gore's region going to reduce their carbon footprint to zero when he consumes huge amounts of green energy?
Sheesh....you guys really, really do not know what you are talking about....you really need to study a little more....

I just can't help any more with you......
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Carbon credits allow one to lose their liberal guilt over polluting more than the rest of us. I understand, perfectly.
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Carbon credits allow one to lose their liberal guilt over polluting more than the rest of us. I understand, perfectly.
It was conservatives seeking a market-based solution who came up carbon credit trading, was it not?

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It was conservatives seeking a market-based solution who came up carbon credit trading, was it not?

Save the world. Stop farting.
I have no idea. If so, whats the point?
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I have no idea. If so, whats the point?
It would be easy to laugh at a conservative who was bitching at a moderate for using conservative carbon-credits to offset his footprint. That is the only point there is.
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It was conservatives seeking a market-based solution who came up carbon credit trading, was it not?
I don't know but for the sake of arguement let's say it was.

It's still just as stupid.

Paying the pennance for our emission sins.
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It was intended to save jobs. Yah, I know that is stupid, but let's say, for the sake of argument, that it did save jobs...

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I don't know but for the sake of arguement let's say it was.

It's still just as stupid.

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Carbon credits allow one to lose their liberal guilt over polluting more than the rest of us. I understand, perfectly.
I am going to respond to this...only because I like you Mark .....then, I am never going to respond again on any "serious" politically oriented thread on this board....(just so you know why I am gone...its not because I don't care, or because of the strength of the conservative argument) I am truly, really bored of the increasingly shallow debate with you guys.

Purchasing carbon credits is a realistic way to grow our base of "green power" in the world, taking a realistic viewpoint of the world the way it truly is, while accomplishing something of value to the cause of increasing energy efficiency, clean energy and air and reducing our dependence on oil...not a perfect answer, but better than all the bimbos out there who are doing absolutely nothing except criticizing someone, because of political paranoia, who is doing something very positive in our world by focusing interest and increasing public knowledge in an area that desperately needs both.

Thats it, thats all.....see y'all on the party threads..no more political threads..or threads like this one that for some reason seem to break up on political extremism, rather than the merits of the issue itself..its just not fun anymore.....(and I bet you think I can't stay away, right? ) Watch me........ ....here I go......bye

Now shoot away...y'all can talk to yourselves...maybe you can convince yourselves you are right
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It was intended to save jobs. Yah, I know that is stupid, but let's say, for the sake of argument, that it did save jobs...
It was intended to bilk anyone stupid enough to buy one. And to buy silence. A treehugger warm and fuzzy, nothing more.

They stand for nothing and have no tangible value.
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It was intended to bilk anyone stupid enough to buy one. And to buy silence. A treehugger warm and fuzzy, nothing more.

They stand for nothing and have no tangible value.
Treehugger? Not nice!
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Carbon credits allow one to lose their liberal guilt over polluting more than the rest of us. I understand, perfectly.
Dang you Mark, you stole my line !!!!

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I am going to respond to this...only because I like you Mark .....then, I am never going to respond again on any "serious" politically oriented thread on this board....(just so you know why I am gone...its not because I don't care, or because of the strength of the conservative argument) I am truly, really bored of the increasingly shallow debate with you guys.

Purchasing carbon credits is a realistic way to grow our base of "green power" in the world, taking a realistic viewpoint of the world the way it truly is, while accomplishing something of value to the cause of increasing energy efficiency, clean energy and air and reducing our dependence on oil...not a perfect answer, but better than all the bimbos out there who are doing absolutely nothing except criticizing someone, because of political paranoia, who is doing something very positive in our world by focusing interest and increasing public knowledge in an area that desperately needs both.

Thats it, thats all.....see y'all on the party threads..no more political threads..or threads like this one that for some reason seem to break up on political extremism, rather than the merits of the issue itself..its just not fun anymore.....(and I bet you think I can't stay away, right? ) Watch me........ ....here I go......bye

Now shoot away...y'all can talk to yourselves...maybe you can convince yourselves you are right
Damn, I have to say I am disappointed. I thought the guys on "my side" were doing well to bring some reasoned arguments into the debate. They even posted articles.

I think it is fair to show the hypocricy of the mouthpiece of the movement. I have no doubt if somebody were preaching family values got caught with a hooker, it would be reason to question his true intentions. But, hey, thats just me.

C'Ya around, Jacko. We won't be crossing paths on any party threads, however. Not my cup of tea.
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That is not what the powerplant and industrial guys in the midwest were saying when the credits were initially being developed. They have a lot of tangible value, cause there are companies paying a lot of money for them, from what I read some time back - but you're probably right Dartay, I mean you always seem like you think you're smarter than the average bear. Take it away.



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I think that carbon credits might be useful if the revenue actually went towards research and development, but that doesn't seem very likely.
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That is not what the powerplant and industrial guys in the midwest were saying when the credits were initially being developed. They have a lot of tangible value, cause there are companies paying a lot of money for them, from what I read some time back - but you're probably right Dartay, I mean you always seem like you think you're smarter than the average bear. Take it away.
I saw an article, somewhere (I will look for it) that said that some countries were encouraging other countries to pollute, so that they could sell their credits to them. It was a convoluted scheme of providing foreign aid without actually providing it.

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