And the Muslim Extremists win another battle

[StewartG]

Originally Posted by dartay

This is where we differ. The good news is that in most of the country everything is relatively stable. A few hotspots, Baghdad included. The bad news is that a relatively few insurgents are terrorizing a large population.

You do realize that is like saying... "New York State is mostly stable. A few hot spots, New York City included."

Baghdad is, by far, the most highly populated city in Iraq. For all practical intents and purposes, Baghdad is Iraq.

You are welcome to continue to think that everyday life in Iraq was better before the war. I will continue to agree with the majority of the country, most of the world and most Iraqis who believe quite differently.

[kwagner99]

Originally Posted by kirbyfan

I already did my 6 years, how bout you?

I never served in the military. My father and most of my uncles served in the Korean and Viet Nam eras. I have a great uncle that served with General McArthur in the Phillipines and survived the nuclear bomb as a POW while shoveling coal in the basement of the Nagasaki power plant. Their stories convinced me to serve my country other ways. Having never served in the military, I am convinced that sending somebody else into battle should only be done with the highest regard for their sacrifice, and only for the best of reasons. This war, in my mind, and in the mind of 69% of Americans, was not justified. I mourn for the lose of every service member and innocent person killed in this war. I rage at the fact that the politically-connected are making obscene profits from the deaths of high-minded young men and women who felt the calling to serve. That being said, remember this salient fact: None of the people in the Bush Administration that pushed for this war served in combat. The only two that were even in the military were Bush and Rumsfeld, and Bush went AWOL from a non-combat unit to boot. Shame on all of them!

[kwagner99]

Originally Posted by dartay

For the most part today, the people of Iraq can go to bed at night, wake up in the morning, go to work and live their lives in relative safety.

You must have missed this:

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/0...talking-about/

[TeeZet]

Too bad there aren't some Iraqi's on the forum here.
I'm sure it would be interesting to be talking with them, instead of talking about them, and hear about their views on the situation.
Come to think of it: being talked about might just be a part of the problems the Iraqi's are facing. The silent majority don't stand a change stuck in between the loud-mouthing extremists from either which side.

[dartay]

Originally Posted by kwagner99

You must have missed this:

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/0...talking-about/

I certainly did miss crooks and liars.

[kwagner99]

Hey TeeZet! Sorry to go off-topic, but are you a Bettie Serveert fan?

[kwagner99]

Originally Posted by dartay

I certainly did miss crooks and liars.

Then you should check it out, as it is a piece from The Situation Room on CNN the other night, where correspondent Michael Ware, who has been in Iraq for 4 years, gives us the 411 on conditions in Bagdad. This came right after John McCain claimed to Wolf Blitzer that General Patraeus drives around Bagdad in an unarmored car...

[dartay]

Originally Posted by kwagner99

This war, in my mind, and in the mind of 69% of Americans, was not justified.

Was that the case before the liberal nonsense was spewed? Nope. Last time I checked 92% of Congress OK'd it. You lie to the people long enough that you were always against the war and they start to believe.

Originally Posted by kwagner99

The only two that were even in the military were Bush and Rumsfeld, and Bush went AWOL from a non-combat unit to boot. Shame on all of them!

And remember that Dan Rather was forced to resign for spewing the same bull you do.

[sctx]

Originally Posted by kwagner99

This war, in my mind, and in the mind of 69% of Americans, was not justified.!

from your trusted news source CNN, 2003....different percentages

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/06/30/sprj.irq.iraq.poll/

[kwagner99]

Originally Posted by dartay

I certainly did miss crooks and liars.

Here is another one, and just in case you can't find it in your heart to click on the link, the transcript follows:

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/0...t-the-surface/

BLITZER: A catastrophic day in Iraq, with a death toll well — well into the hundreds. Car bombs killed at least 43 people in Diyala and at least 76 people were killed in a Shiite marketplace in Baghdad.
This, as politicians debate whether there's been a letup in the carnage. Joining us now, our correspondent in Baghdad, Michael Ware — Michael, walking around Baghdad, it's become a sensitive over the past few days because of various comments.
I discussed it earlier in the day today with Senator Joe Lieberman, your description of what's going on there on the scene.
Listen to what he said.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
LIEBERMAN: But I'll tell you most significantly, the American soldier is more confident walking the streets of Baghdad today. And that's a very important change.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BLITZER: You speak to American soldiers all the time.
Are they more confident walking the streets of Baghdad today?
MICHAEL WARE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, they're certainly never fully confident.
But do they see that there has been some kind of adjustment in the broad climate?
Absolutely, as has been well noted by these soldiers' U.S. commanders. Their enemies, the insurgents and the Shia militias, are, by and large, laying low at the moment, waiting to get the shape of this surge.
Nonetheless, in one of these areas that has been so prominently second by the U.S. military and its Iraqi partners, where U.S. troops are now basically patrolling all the time with this great confidence, an area that had been controlled by the Mahdi militia, today more than 70 people died when two men detonated themselves in a busy market.
And don't forget, we're looking across the country at about 80 American soldiers, sailors and Marines being killed. In March, we're approaching that number again, the third month in a row.
So are the soldiers seeing changes?
Yes, sure.
But are the fundamental dynamics altering at all?
No, not really, not yet. There's a chance, but far too early to tell — Wolf.
BLITZER: A year ago, the president said this, referring to the situation in Tal Afar.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) GEORGE BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I'm going to tell you the story of a northern Iraqi city called Tal Afar, which was once a key base of operations for al Qaeda and is today a free city that gives reason for hope for a free Iraq.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BLITZER: That was a year ago. The situation had calmed down. But today it looks like all hell is breaking loose in Tal Afar once again.
You've been there. You've covered this story.
What's going on?
WARE: Well, Wolf, I was actually in that battle to reclaim Tal Afar, this city on the Syrian border, from al Qaeda. I was with the 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment. I was with American Green Berets and I was with the Iraqi troops, the Kurdish Peshmerga, as they battled al Qaeda and took that city back.
Whilst that had a huge impact on al Qaeda's operations there, no one for a minute believed that that was going to remove them.
The suicide bombings continued, a much lower rate, but no one imagined that al Qaeda would disappear.
What have we seen now?
We've seen al Qaeda hit yet another market, killing too many people. And then what we saw later that night is essentially Shia police from another Islamic sect go into a Sunni neighborhood and all but execute entire families.
So, honestly, the dynamics, the fundamental underlying schisms, what's really driving this war all over the country, are not yet being addressed. We're only talking about the surface.
BLITZER: Michael Ware reporting for us from Baghdad

[TeeZet]

Originally Posted by kwagner99

Hey TeeZet! Sorry to go off-topic, but are you a Bettie Serveert fan?

I know them, but I'm not a fan. I think they're good at what they're doing, though.
Funny you know them.

[StewartG]

Originally Posted by dartay

You lie to the

congress

Originally Posted by darty

long enough

and they will vote for your war.

[kwagner99]

Originally Posted by dartay

Was that the case before the liberal nonsense was spewed? Nope. Last time I checked 92% of Congress OK'd it. You lie to the people long enough that you were always against the war and they start to believe

Yes, it's the fault of liberals and their "facts" that are causing Americans to lose the will to fight on in Iraq. If only the people on the Titanic would have fought a little harder against that iceberg, instead of jumping ship and getting on those damned liberal lifeboats...

Originally Posted by dartay

And remember that Dan Rather was forced to resign for spewing the same bull you do.

Yes, but the contents of the "forged" document were never challenged. There is still a $100,000 reward for anyone who can confirm that Bush reported for duty in Alabama. So far, the reward goes uncollected. But that is so 2004. Meanwhile, another 100 or so people died in Iraq today. No doubt they were just strolling down the street, minding their own business. Just another day in Free Market Utopian paradise...

[StewartG]

Originally Posted by TeeZet

Come to think of it: being talked about might just be a part of the problems the Iraqi's are facing. The silent majority don't stand a change stuck in between the loud-mouthing extremists from either which side.

See, NOW you're gonna make me cry...

[kwagner99]

Originally Posted by TeeZet

I know them, but I'm not a fan. I think they're good at what they're doing, though.
Funny you know them.

I've been a huge fan since Palomine came out in the early 90's!