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[hrlydavison]

I am a big believer in putting the safest vehicle around your Family. We have had a Volvo wagon in the past too. Just goes to show that nothing can save you from excessive speed and an immovable object.


































Notice the cone cold air intake...not to metion its an "R" wagon which is the hopped up 300hp speed wagon. My money is on a male late teens... early twenties as the driver. Hope he didnt take anybody with him.

[Jesus]

That is my hope everytime I see an accident where the driver was drunk or careless: that nobody but the driver was injured.

[mastequilapf]

Wow! That is absolutely stunning, and not in a good way. I think excessive speed is a gross understatement. I, too, hope that no one else was hurt. And I hope the driver is still around too, although I fear that he/she probably isnt

I used to drive all the time (when I was late teens/early twenties) using speeds that easily could have resulted in a wreck like that. I was about 23 and just decided it wasn't worth it. Started hearing about too many people I know who were in serious wrecks (a copule were fatal).

Unbelieveable...

[Joana]

Ouch!! That looks more than bad!!!

Reminds me of a comic the anaesthesiologists showed at one of our lectures (they are the ones who take care of accidents over here, riding the ambulance and all...). It showed a total car wreck, with the driver stuck in there- a fireman and an emergency doc at it's side, with the doc saying "I keep wondering how they get in there??".
Sounds very macabre just telling about it- but was quite funny to look at.

[StewartG]

Originally Posted by Joana

Ouch!! That looks more than bad!!!

Reminds me of a comic the anaesthesiologists showed at one of our lectures (they are the ones who take care of accidents over here, riding the ambulance and all...). It showed a total car wreck, with the driver stuck in there- a fireman and an emergency doc at it's side, with the doc saying "I keep wondering how they get in there??".
Sounds very macabre just telling about it- but was quite funny to look at.

A very good example of medical "gallows" humor.

Kelli is an anesthetist and my mother in law is an ICU nurse, so I hear a lot of this stuff!

[StewartG]

As far as the original post goes...

I once was good friends with a guy, paralyzed and in a wheelchair for life. VERY nice guy and we were very close.

The way he was hurt... He and his best friend were drinking and driving, speeding around town in my friends camero. My friend was the driver. They hit the low part of a curved overpass at high speed. The passenger (my friend's best friend) was decapitated, and my friend survived to spend the rest of his life in a wheelchair. He confided in me that for YEARS after the wreck he was extremely depressed, suicidal, and to this day, he wishes he was the one who had died.

I am glad he survived as he spends much time and effort into telling his story to teenagers and spreading the "don't drink and drive" gospel. Too late for him and his best friend, but I *know* his story has an ENORMOUS impact on people.

[Joana]

Originally Posted by StewartG

A very good example of medical "gallows" humor.

Kelli is an anesthetist and my mother in law is an ICU nurse, so I hear a lot of this stuff!

Hey- you never told me your wife is one of "the" profession??? Where was she when I posted about dissertation hell??
Awesome- but now I am afraid when we meet you will feel left out- medfolks have this habit of sticking to one subject all night once they get started.........

And as for gallows humour- well, guess why I am so drawn to the pathologists???? It doesn't get darker and funnier than them!!

[Joana]

Two of my favourite moments actually include anaesthesiologists btw.

One happened at the very start of my studies.......a lecture was held by one of them. So he went on about procedures and all that.
And at one point asked everyone: so, now that we have done all the testing and such- we should take it to the max. What would the max be?

Silence.

"Well- the max would be to talk to the patient!".

The other story is a bit macabre- but in fact had a good end.....the patient did survive, I'll say that before telling it!!

A fellow student was in the OR when things went bad- there was massive abdomial bleeding involved and the patient was going downhill.
So the anaesthesiologist started resucitation- pumping away.
All of a sudden the surgeon yells at thim from the top of his lungs: "Stop that damn pumping. If you do that I can't stop the effing bleeding down here!!!"
Reply: "Well- if I stop pumping up here there won't be any bleeding you have to stop down there!!!!"

[StewartG]

Originally Posted by Joana

Hey- you never told me your wife is one of "the" profession??? Where was she when I posted about dissertation hell??
Awesome- but now I am afraid when we meet you will feel left out- medfolks have this habit of sticking to one subject all night once they get started.........

And as for gallows humour- well, guess why I am so drawn to the pathologists???? It doesn't get darker and funnier than them!!

Kelli did not have to write a dissertation, only a master's thesis. She has a masters degree in nurse anesthesia. She is a CRNA (Certified Registered Nurse Anesthetist). I don't know if they have a similar position in Germany.

Essentially, she went through the full first year of medical school along with all the full M.D. track medical students. After her first year, she began a 2.5 year track of specialized training and internship in anesthesia. Once she passed her boards, she was licensed as an independent practitioner. That is to say, she can practice independently, open her own surgery center, administer anesthesia in an O.R. without an M.D. on staff, etc.

She's a pretty smart chick. Most of you medical people are!

[StewartG]

Originally Posted by Joana

Two of my favourite moments actually include anaesthesiologists btw.

One happened at the very start of my studies.......a lecture was held by one of them. So he went on about procedures and all that.
And at one point asked everyone: so, now that we have done all the testing and such- we should take it to the max. What would the max be?

Silence.

"Well- the max would be to talk to the patient!".

The other story is a bit macabre- but in fact had a good end.....the patient did survive, I'll say that before telling it!!

A fellow students was in the OR when things went bad- there was massive abdomial bleeding involved and the patient was going downhill.
So the anaesthesiologist started resucitation- pumping away.
All of a sudden the surgeon yells at thim from the top of his lungs: "Stop that damn pumping. If you do that I can't stop the effing bleeding down here!!!"
Reply: "Well- if I stop pumping up here there won't be any bleeding you have to stop down there!!!!"

Ouch! Glad that came out okay!

Kelli did trauma surgery at the county hospital in the Texas medical center for her first year of practice then got burnt out. She now works in a suburban hospital doing mostly "bread and butter" cases with enough "sticky wickets" to keep her skills sharp. That, and she's out by 3pm every day, with NO call...

[Joana]

Originally Posted by StewartG

Kelli did not have to write a dissertation, only a master's thesis. She has a masters degree in nurse anesthesia. She is a CRNA (Certified Registered Nurse Anesthetist). I don't know if they have a similar position in Germany.

Essentially, she went through the full first year of medical school along with all the full M.D. track medical students. After her first year, she began a 2.5 year track of specialized training and internship in anesthesia. Once she passed her boards, she was licensed as an independent practitioner. That is to say, she can practice independently, open her own surgery center, administer anesthesia in an O.R. without an M.D. on staff, etc.

She's a pretty smart chick. Most of you medical people are!

See- that's where our medical systems are VERY different and where I'd hope Germany would do something.
Over here nurses don't do half of the schooling that is done in the States.
They go to their own little school for three years- and it mainly focuses on taking care of the patients on the units, with a bit of anatomy and pharmacology thrown in.

Some of them do specialize for OR and such- but their education level is WAY below the one of nurses in the States.

Hence they are not allowed to do ANYTHING without doctors orders, let alone give meds i.v. or such- most of them don't even know how to do a bloodtest.

The professions are completely split here- nurses take care of feeding, bedding, washing and changing bandages and such, also changing infusions after orders and recording vital sings. But that's about it.
EVERYTHING else is done by the docs- every descision, every application, every procedure, every diagnose.
One of the biggest bummers f.e. when on call for the docs is to get woken up to change blood infusions.
This due to the fact that we are the only ones allowed to do the final bedsite crosstest (which is nothing Einstein-ish and could easily be done by nurses as well)- so every time new erythrocytes are hung up the doc has to be there.

Which is a bummer- I know many nurses who are very clever and could easily do much more of a job, thus helping the docs.
It is much cleverer the way it is done in the States.

[StewartG]

Originally Posted by Joana

See- that's where our medical systems are VERY different and where I'd hope Germany would do something.
Over here nurses don't do half of the schooling that is done in the States.
They go to their own little school for three years- and it mainly focuses on taking care of the patients on the units, with a bit of anatomy and pharmacology thrown in.

Some of them do specialize for OR and such- but their education level is WAY below the one of nurses in the States.

Hence they are not allowed to do ANYTHING without doctors orders, let alone give meds i.v. or such- most of them don't even know how to do a bloodtest.

The professions are completely split here- nurses take care of feeding, bedding, washing and changing bandages and such, also changing infusions after orders and recording vital sings. But that's about it.
EVERYTHING else is done by the docs- every descision, every application, every procedure, every diagnose.

Which is a bummer- I know many nurses who are very clever and could easily do much more of a job, thus helping the docs.
It is much cleverer the way it is done in the States.

Yeah, Kelli knows her crap, but she is in a VERY specialized and highly trained sub-specialty.

She has a 4 year bachelors degree in nursing, after which she got her R.N. Then she was required to have at LEAST two years of "critical care" nursing experience before she was even ADMITTED to the 3.5 year nurse anesthetist masters degree program.

Of course, at this point, like I said she is completely independent in her practice. She can practice anywhere, do anything, etc. Inside the O.R. she has FULL prescriptive and "order writing" authority.

She did my anesthesia when I had foot surgery for a bone spur a few years ago. She gives good anesthetic. When I went in, all of her friends were THRILLED that she was doing my anesthesia, they wanted her to put me in panties and paint my finger and toe nails while I was under. She told me she shrugged them off and said "Why? He would LIKE it..."