Are there just issues with kids and flights lately or what????

[Seakony]

Originally Posted by TEX

witnesses told investigators that Freeman had been using profane language and hitting her children — ages 2 and 4 — to the point they were crying and trying to hide in a corner on the floor

You're right, Rita. We weren't there. Maybe it was just a slap on the hand. I do also have a problem with a parent using profane language around a 2 and 4 year old.

I do too. But i have also seen a slap on the hand produce screams of terror. Not defending this women, but When i am strapped into my seat, the only thing I can see happening is on my row..and maybe the row behind me. If my mother was raising me today, she would be arrested for spanking me in public..I got alot of them..and I don't go around beating up people.
The "they're just being kids" is not an excuse for bad behaivor. Bad behavior is learned from the parents. Maybe, the mother did not prepare the children for take-off...Maybe their ears were hurting from the pressure. How does a 2 and 4 year old end up on the floor..they should be strapped in. Hust all seems a little bizarre.

[JudyBluEyes]

Originally Posted by Seakony

I do too. But i have also seen a slap on the hand produce screams of terror. Not defending this women, but When i am strapped into my seat, the only thing I can see happening is on my row..and maybe the row behind me. If my mother was raising me today, she would be arrested for spanking me in public..I got alot of them..and I don't go around beating up people.
The "they're just being kids" is not an excuse for bad behaivor. Bad behavior is learned from the parents. Maybe, the mother did not prepare the children for take-off...Maybe their ears were hurting from the pressure. How does a 2 and 4 year old end up on the floor..they should be strapped in. Hust all seems a little bizarre.

Maybe I'm just old school but I think people have gone overboard on the child abuse thing, to the point sometimes of not discipling their kids at all or very little - what the hell is a "time out"? I had a mom who today probably would have been arrested too!! But she knew the difference between child abuse and a slap on the butt. And btw I never hit my own kids, but they knew I could if I wanted to...

[Rissask]

Originally Posted by JudyBluEyes

Maybe I'm just old school but I think people have gone overboard on the child abuse thing, to the point sometimes of not discipling their kids at all or very little - what the hell is a "time out"? I had a mom who today probably would have been arrested too!! But she knew the difference between child abuse and a slap on the butt. And btw I never hit my own kids, but they knew I could if I wanted to...

I remember a thread on this very topic on a board I used to read. The question was asked, 'can you explain the difference between abuse and discipline'...and what a variety of responses! From the slightest tap on a hand being called 'abuse' to getting the strap is still just disipline.

It seems like the people who call a little smack on the bum or hand 'abuse' are completely out of touch and melodramatic. I think it devalues the importance and seriousness of TRUE abuse.
(Kind of like a woman who gets drunk and goes home and gets talked into having sex with her date, crying rape the next day- which should really annoy women who are really rape victims.)

(not saying anything about this situation- this woman sounds like she totally lost it on her poor kids. )

[Seakony]

Thanks Judy and Maggie for making my point. Although I bet Judy spanks Steve alot.

[JudyBluEyes]

Originally Posted by Seakony

Thanks Judy and Maggie for making my point. Although I bet Judy spanks Steve alot.

Only when he deserves it...

[TAPPY]

Just go in Walmart any day after work and you will see at least one woman losing it with her kids !!! (I dont believe in cursing, spanking or slapping kids as a means of discipline)

Of course my parents believed in spanking and we all turned out ok (mostly).

I am very glad some one intervened for the kids on the plane.

Gracie and I heard a woman verbally cutting down her little girl in a restaurant a few weekends ago, it was way worse than any beating.

[JudyBluEyes]

Originally Posted by TAPPY

Just go in Walmart any day after work and you will see at least one woman losing it with her kids !!! (I dont believe in cursing, spanking or slapping kids as a means of discipline)

Of course my parents believed in spanking and we all turned out ok (mostly).



I am very glad some one intervened for these kids on the plane.

Gracie and I heard a woman verbally cutting down her little girl in a restaurant a few weekends ago, it was way worse than any beating.

It's not the profane language that bothers me so much, but the belittling, telling a kid they are useless or stupid, that kind of stuff is just wrong. And I've heard people do this in the nicest cleanest language... My Mom might not have spared the rod with us, and yeah she could curse a blue streak, but she never, ever put us down!!

[TAPPY]

Originally Posted by JudyBluEyes

It's not the profane language that bothers me so much, but the belittling, telling a kid they are useless or stupid, that kind of stuff is just wrong. And I've heard people do this in the nicest cleanest language... My Mom might not have spared the rod with us, and yeah she could curse a blue streak, but she never, ever put us down!!

I so agree Judy.

[gingele]

While one person's discipline might be another person's abuse, in the case cited by the OP the woman was observed by several different passengers as appearing intoxicated and repeatedly hitting and screaming at her kids.

Now is it possible to say in today's "overly PC world" that the several different individuals who observed this woman - who really just swatted her kids on their butts in an attempt to discipline them - all arrived erroneously at the shared opinion that this woman was crossing the line and considered the "spankings" abusive. Maybe. But a simpler explanation here is that the woman was abusing her kids.

And for those here who said (or are thinking) "Hey in today's world my mom/dad would have been arrested for child abuse, too". Really? Would this description really fit a scene from your childhood: mom/dad appearing intoxicated and repeatedly hitting you and screaming at you until you were huddled in a corner?

[PlayadelSoul]

Spanking a two year old is abuse, I don't care what the reason. There is no point to it other than to bring the child some pain.

[JudyBluEyes]

Originally Posted by gingele

While one person's discipline might be another person's abuse, in the case cited by the OP the woman was observed by several different passengers as appearing intoxicated and repeatedly hitting and screaming at her kids.

Now is it possible to say in today's "overly PC world" that the several different individuals who observed this woman - who really just swatted her kids on their butts in an attempt to discipline them - all arrived erroneously at the shared opinion that this woman was crossing the line and considered the "spankings" abusive. Maybe. But a simpler explanation here is that the woman was abusing her kids.

And for those here who said (or are thinking) "Hey in today's world my mom/dad would have been arrested for child abuse, too". Really? Would this description really fit a scene from your childhood: mom/dad appearing intoxicated and repeatedly hitting you and screaming at you until you were huddled in a corner?

Well, not the intoxicated part, but yeah. My sister used to hide under the bed to escape my Mom... but then she was the "baby" of the family, the youngest of four, and the last to learn that Mom was serious and you just didn't sass her.. Actually, it all wasn't as bad as it sounds, she didn't really beat us but it usually only took that look to make us run and hide...