Blogger asks College GOP why they do not enlist for Iraq

[kayt707]

Originally Posted by Seakony

Sure it is...He asked alot of students and edited out the ones who did not give him the answer he wanted. Why did he not ask the liberal students? I guess you also believe that all those people who are interviewed by Jay Leno's "streetwalking" represent all the people he talked to and edited out.

Ive spent enough time in Burbank. May not represent all the people down there but a lot of them

[Cosmo]

Nixon did not end the war, the will of the people did. Iraq will be the same....

[kayt707]

Originally Posted by horizon200

It was not a case of not drawing attention. There was no mechanism in place to deliver them to their final resting place other than commercial scheduled carriers...again the most expeditious means. The recieving funeral homes would them drape a flag over the casket prior to the service.
There was never an attempt at hiding the caskets. This practice had always been in place...however, some anti war advocates highlighted it as a Bushism and now we have a multi million dollar contract to deliver them home. In itself, not a bad thing. However, the rest of the story is that IF the contracted carrier is not available, we will transport the casket on a military airlifter. Thus taking away from much needed lift in theater. Additionally, there is an honor guard that must meet each acft not just attend the service...essentially doubling that requirement as well. All of this is heaped onto a shrinking over budget cut military (I know..this is where you insert we wouldn't be over tasked if it wasn't for the war!). Point in fact is that the previous service of using scheduled carriers was a veryu expediant way of delivering them to their final resting place.

They are bringing them home at least. How many of our soldiers were buried in Europe during WWII? How many lost in the jungles of Vietnam. If they are bringing them back so that they can be honored the mode of transport doesnt seem that important to me.

[kayt707]

Every war we have ever been in has had pro war people and anti war people. People on each side of the line within our own country. Why is it that this one draws so much attention to it. is it because of the popular ideas about vietnam. Even with that war im sure at the beggining there were people supporting it because people were afraid of communism. Over the years that it lasted ideas changed. It lasted about 20 years. thats a long war in our terms. People who were not alive at the start of the "war" began to protest things as they grew up. That doesnt mean that they represented the popular belief at that time. Vietnam followed Korea, Korea right on the coat tails of WWII. The beliefs of the people then were in a different mind set.

[PlayadelSoul]

Originally Posted by melliedee

We'd need to find these to determine if you are correct:

"Nixon constantly denied that he was conspiring with Thieu against the US government, but the release of previously classified FBI files used by the authors show this was exactly what he was doing."

Not that Nixon was known to be involved in shady dealings...

If they exist, I am sure JL will find them. As of now, it sounds like accusation without foundation. Had this been fact, I am sure I would have heard about it before yesterday.

[Just Lucky]

Originally Posted by PlayadelSoul

If they exist, I am sure JL will find them. As of now, it sounds like accusation without foundation. Had this been fact, I am sure I would have heard about it before yesterday.

This seems to be a rather well documented article concerning the events by your neo-con friend Hitchens. He quotes many sources, while it is old news these reports were all over the media when the information came out. It seems strange that Fox News didn't carry the story perhaps,because it puts a Republican in a very bad light?The Case Against Henry Kissinger Feel free to do your own research.

[PlayadelSoul]

Originally Posted by Just Lucky

This seems to be a rather well documented article concerning the events by your neo-con friend Hitchens. He quotes many sources, while it is old news these reports were all over the media when the information came out. It seems strange that Fox News didn't carry the story perhaps,because it puts a Republican in a very bad light?The Case Against Henry Kissinger Feel free to do your own research.

Christopher Hitchens, a conservative?


Sorry, Lucky, you came up short. You posted something, representing it as fact, and have no proof to back it up. Next time, maybe save us the time by inserting the words "some believe" or "one theory has it that".

[Cosmo]

You don't have much of an argument left when you stoop to defending Nixon...

[ElvisP]

I don't get it, are you defending Nixon? I figured anyone who has the least bid of love for this country would spit on tricky Dicks tomb stone. He lowered this the ideals of this country to the pits of damnation. Bombed the hell out of a neutral buddhist country killing hundres of thousands of innocent people and let the war drag on till 30k more American lives were lost. Pissed all over the constitution, back stabbed everyone who ever trusted him. I never thought I'd live long enough to see the day someone would be defending the bastard.

[Just Lucky]

Originally Posted by PlayadelSoul

Christopher Hitchens, a conservative?


Sorry, Lucky, you came up short. You posted something, representing it as fact, and have no proof to back it up. Next time, maybe save us the time by inserting the words "some believe" or "one theory has it that".

Are there particular sources he quotes you don't believe? Most of them were in the Nixon administration, Hitchens changed his stripes some time ago and joined your team:

While Hitchens' idiosyncratic ideas and positions preclude easy classification, he is a vociferous critic of what he describes as "fascism with an Islamic face," and his critics have been known to describe him as a "neoconservative". Hitchens, however, refuses to embrace this designation.[6] In 2004, Hitchens stated that neoconservative support for US intervention in Bosnia and Iraq convinced him that he was "on the same side as the neo-conservatives" when it came to contemporary foreign policy issues.[7] He has also been known to refer to his association with "temporary neocon allies".[8] In a Slate article published in 2004, Christopher Hitchens wrote ""George Bush may subjectively be a Christian, but he -- and the US armed forces -- have objectively done more for secularism than the whole of the American agnostic community combined and doubled

[birdman]

Originally Posted by ElvisP

I don't get it, are you defending Nixon? I figured anyone who has the least bid of love for this country would spit on tricky Dicks tomb stone. He lowered this the ideals of this country to the pits of damnation. Bombed the hell out of a neutral buddhist country killing hundres of thousands of innocent people and let the war drag on till 30k more American lives were lost. Pissed all over the constitution, back stabbed everyone who ever trusted him. I never thought I'd live long enough to see the day someone would be defending the bastard.

You are right, you do not get it.
I was not defending Nixon, but stating my disbelief in a group of U.S. citizens that would rather leave the people that fought with & for our country to die at the hands of extremists as our troops leave the fight, than stay & get the fighting over once & for all.
Cosmo is also correct when he says that Nixon did not end the war the people did. He forgot to mention those same people helped end the lives of 10s of thousands.
History will repeat itself & I will yell just as loudly when we pull out of Iraq & thousansds die as I did when we left the Vietnamese, Cambodians, & Laotians behind to fend for themselves 30+ years ago.

[Cosmo]

You were wrong about the 2006 elections and you disappeared from the forum, now you are back spouting the same tired puke. Learn how to spell as you go away...

Originally Posted by birdman

You are right, you do not get it.
I was not defending Nixon, but stating my disbelief in a group of U.S. citizens that would rather leave the people that fought with & for our country to die at the hands of extremists as our troops leave the fight, than stay & get the fighting over once & for all.
Cosmo is also correct when he says that Nixon did not end the war the people did. He forgot to mention those same people helped end the lives of 10s of thousands.
History will repeat itself & I will yell just as loudly when we pull out of Iraq & thousansds die as I did when we left the Vietnamese, Cambodians, & Laotians behind to fend for themselves 30+ years ago.

[ElvisP]

Originally Posted by birdman

You are right, you do not get it.
I was not defending Nixon, but stating my disbelief in a group of U.S. citizens that would rather leave the people that fought with & for our country to die at the hands of extremists as our troops leave the fight, than stay & get the fighting over once & for all.
Cosmo is also correct when he says that Nixon did not end the war the people did. He forgot to mention those same people helped end the lives of 10s of thousands.
History will repeat itself & I will yell just as loudly when we pull out of Iraq & thousansds die as I did when we left the Vietnamese, Cambodians, & Laotians behind to fend for themselves 30+ years ago.

The longer this war drags on, the more ppl will die, both American and Iraqis. When will it be a good time to leave? 10, 20, 30 years from now? Regardless of when we leave, those ppl will be left behind to fend for themselves. There has never been a clear objective, actually, there has never been any objective at all. That country will have it's own civil war, implode and start from scratch. They don't want our democracy, and they don't want us there. We can only shove it down their throat for so long. Nobody has succeeded at changing any of those countries and I doubt anyone ever will. It has been out of our hands for years now and nobody wants to see it. No American live is worth losing there. The very ppl we are training to fight are the ones shooting at our boys. Whatever lesson we wanted to teach them I'm sure they got it when Saddam was captured. The rest has been nothing but a waste of good American lives who should have not died. They should be with their families having a bbq and teaching their young to play foot ball. History has already repeated itself, all you have to do is look back and see what has been accomplished and what has been gained.

[birdman]

Originally Posted by Cosmo

You were wrong about the 2006 elections and you disappeared from the forum, now you are back spouting the same tired puke. Learn how to spell as you go away...

Did I hit a nerve? I truely hope so.
Run this through spell check for me would you please I am too tired & busy to do it myself.

[Cosmo]

yawn...

Originally Posted by birdman

Did I hit a nerve? I truely hope so.
Run this through spell check for me would you please I am too tired & busy to do it myself.