Wanna have 17 Children?

[Just Lucky]

I suppose I feel my life is enriched by the diversity of folks I know and interact with. I may have been assuming that most, though not all, home schooled children would be from white families and from a relativelty high income bracket.

My concern would be that they would not interact with children of other cultures and socio-economic classes and religions while young. I'd think this might limit their understanding.

[Rissask]

Originally Posted by Just Lucky

I suppose I feel my life is enriched by the diversity of folks I know and interact with. I may have been assuming that most, though not all, home schooled children would be from white families and from a relativelty high income bracket.

My concern would be that hey would not interact with children of other cultures and socio-economic classes while young. I'd think this might limit their understanding.

But you could say that for kids from the town I live in too, it's white bread central. Literally, in the schools there- there is about 3000 kids in two different schools, and I'd the breakdown is about 98% white. Go to Saskatoon (15 minutes away), to an inner city school- breakdown is about 80% native children. Suburbs of the city, again- 90% plus whites.

and it would vary of course across the country....out in BC, there is more diversity, the majority might be Asians, not whites, say.

Wouldn't it be the same in a lot of states too?

[farmgirl]

I'm sure these kids are great at socializing among themselves, but family and the real world are very different! You think of how scared some children are to leave the comforts of home and head of to ECS or grade 1. I can't imagine having those fears for the first time when you head off to college! Did anyone ever say if any of these kids have left home yet?
I have no problem with people home schooling, power to you! Personnally I am not the type of mom who could handle having my kids around 24/7. We all look forward to the break that school gives us. I live in a place like Riss, no need to protect kids from anything. I'm sure if I lived somewhere different I might have to consider it.

[Just Lucky]

Originally Posted by Rissask

But you could say that for kids from the town I live in too, it's white bread central. Literally, in the schools there- there is about 3000 kids in two different schools, and I'd the breakdown is about 98% white. Go to Saskatoon (15 minutes away), to an inner city school- breakdown is about 80% native children. Suburbs of the city, again- 90% plus whites.

and it would vary of course across the country....out in BC, there is more diversity, the majority might be Asians, not whites, say.

Wouldn't it be the same in a lot of states too?

I'm not sure. We have a very diverse population in my city. I'd think that in areas where "white flight" has occured you'd have less diversity. But likely more diversity than if most children you interacted with were from a similar socio-economic, religious and racial group.

[Rissask]

Originally Posted by Just Lucky

I'm not sure. We have a very diverse population in my city. I'd think that in areas where "white flight" has occured you'd have less diversity. But likely more diversity than if most children you interacted with were from a similar socio-economic, religious and racial group.

What does 'white flight' mean?

[melliedee]

Originally Posted by Rissask

What does 'white flight' mean?

Splitting for the suburbs when your city becomes too "diverse." Such flights here in the midwest have resulted in the segregation public school systems and the development of gated communities.

[Just Lucky]

Originally Posted by Rissask

What does 'white flight' mean?

Sorry, sort of a US term. Typically refers to a movement of whites from city to suburb with one of the main reasons being to keep children from going to desegregated schools. This was fairly common when schools were desegregated by busing.

Here's Encarta's definition:

white flight

noun
Definition: departure of Caucasian people: the movement of white people that sometimes occurs from neighborhoods where members of other groups are settling, especially because of racism

[Rissask]

Don't think we have ever had that phenomenon, here, JL. We are quite sparsely settled, to begin with, remember, around 1 million people and the same approximate size as Texas.


Most settlers here in this province were farmers from Western and Eastern Europe- Brits, French, Ukrainians and Germans, mostly, some assorted Dutch and Icelandics, etc. More recently, quite a few Greek, Chinese, Vietnamese, Laotian, Cambodian families as well, moving to the cities to run restaurants and other businesses.
About 15% of the population is native, I believe the majority in the province live on reservations but some of them have moved to the cities, mostly to the inner city areas.

But I don't think there was an outward movement by whites in any sort of a reaction to that. It is an economic thng, not a racial thing...'course, the economic thing IS related to the racial thing, to some degree. or maybe I am just naive.

But overall, not a lot of racial or cultural diversity around here- kind of like Kansas, Iowa, Montana would be, I imagine. Rural, farming areas tend be pretty white. The farming area I grew up in had four major reserves nearby and many of those students came to my school, but overall still mostly white.

[See Turtle]

I'm in this one a bit late, but I gotta tell ya, I don't care what their reasons are, having 17 kids is both inane and irresponsible.

Nearly every one of this planet's woes can be attributed to the fact that there too damned many people on it. In fact, estimates from the Purdue University Energy Center's Dr. Jay Gore suggest that Earth will be inhabited by 10 billion souls by mid century.

And they'll all need food and energy. Gas just hit $3.90 here and Indiana farmers are turning all their corn into biofuel, which is helping to precipitate a world food shortage.

Seventeen kids. Because it's "God's" will. It must be God's will then that we destroy our planet and starve to death, because that's where this kind of asinine behavior leads.

Thus endeth the rant. Sorry, I blew up.

[u2girlie]

Originally Posted by See Turtle

I'm in this one a bit late, but I gotta tell ya, I don't care what their reasons are, having 17 kids is both inane and irresponsible.

Nearly every one of this planet's woes can be attributed to the fact that there too damned many people on it. In fact, estimates from the Purdue University Energy Center's Dr. Jay Gore suggest that Earth will be inhabited by 10 billion souls by mid century.

And they'll all need food and energy. Gas just hit $3.90 here and Indiana farmers are turning all their corn into biofuel, which is helping to precipitate a world food shortage.

Seventeen kids. Because it's "God's" will. It must be God's will then that we destroy our planet and starve to death, because that's where this kind of asinine behavior leads.

Thus endeth the rant. Sorry, I blew up.

:c lap: I totally agree!

[Rissask]

whoo boy, you never mince words, do you See Turtle. You white, liberal, human -loathing, secular elitist, you.


I alluded to the notion that far from everyone believes that there is an overpopulation problem in the world. I personally think that it is a problem, and that world overpopulation is the number 1 contributor to pollution, climate change, species endangerment and extinction, resource depletion, bad resource management, dwindling fresh water supplies, soil fertility issues, etc.
But what do I know.


I DO know that families like the Duggars are very, very, very rare. So rare they are pretty much a non-issue. First world country populations are not growing, many are shrinking, so that is a good thing. Growth is slowing, it just might be too little too late, is all. (Jacko is going to come in here and accuse us of being cynical, watch out!)

[See Turtle]

Originally Posted by Rissask

whoo boy, you never mince words, do you See Turtle. You white, liberal, human -loathing, secular elitist, you.


I alluded to the notion that far from everyone believes that there is an overpopulation problem in the world. I personally think that it is a problem, and that world overpopulation is the number 1 contributor to pollution, climate change, species endangerment and extinction, resource depletion, bad resource management, dwindling fresh water supplies, soil fertility issues, etc.
But what do I know.


I DO know that families like the Duggars are very, very, very rare. So rare they are pretty much a non-issue. First world country populations are not growing, many are shrinking, so that is a good thing. Growth is slowing, it just might be too little too late, is all. (Jacko is going to come in here and accuse us of being cynical, watch out!)

I had a college pal who, as a molecular biologist opined, as early as 1984, that the only solution to the world's problems was the random extermination of 1.5 billion people. Every time he'd start that rant we'd roll our eyes and take away his beer.

Remarkable how, today, much of the scientific community is in lockstep on the issue of overpopulation. It is what, ultimately, will result in the end of the human race.

[Just Lucky]

Here's one of the reasons they are having so many children:

Conservative politics

Quiverfull authors Hess and Hess, along with Joyce, also connect the proliferation of conservative politics as a motivation behind Quiverfull. Hess and Hess state,

When at the height of the Reagan Revolution the conservative faction in Washington was enforced with squads of new conservative congressmen, legislators often found themselves handcuffed by lack of like-minded staff. There simply weren't enough conservatives trained to serve in Washington in the lower and middle capacities.[2]

Hess and Hess continue by envisioning that the offspring of Quiverfull families might enter national and local politics to bring conservative majorities, publicly-funded education to bring the teaching of creationism, and business to adjure companies to adhere to what adherents see as Christian sensibilities.[2][6]

Quiverfull - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[See Turtle]

Originally Posted by Just Lucky

Here's one of the reasons they are having so many children:

Quiverfull - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Terrific.

[Mercy]

Originally Posted by Rissask

I think the only fair question is not whether homeschooling is best for every child, but for parents to ask if it's better for their child and if they are able to do a good job as a teacher- there are just too many factors to make any kind of broad statement for or against it in general.

I think this is fair... You are right homeschooling is not for every child. When I homeschooled my two sons, they have very different learning abilities and styles. My oldest is very bright and never had a hard time learning various concepts. My youngest had more difficulty. When my husband and I realized that our youngest was not progressing the way we thought he should, that is when we made the decision to put him into regular school, and we decided it would be best if we held him back a grade year. This has all worked out fine for him, he does still struggle some academically, but he probably would have even if he had never been homeschooled.

We put my oldest back into school when his brother went back, that was in the 6th grade. He is in college now and is doing very well, he is on the deans list