In the Rush to Help - Global Warming

[melliedee]

Originally Posted by PlayadelSoul

I did a little research on the article Steve posted regarding the melting of Arctic ice. The article claims that it is a "record" ice melt. What it fails to mention is that the records only go back to 1979. Remember that the 70's were one of the coolest decades in recent times. There was even fear of a global cooling (new Ice Age).

A quote from the article:



The Northwest Passage has been navigated since a Norwegian did it in 1903. Records regarding the amount of ice in it have only been kept since 1972.

At best, the article misrepresents with terms like "record" and "in history". At worst, it is more scare tactics.

Question: What was the hottest year in "recorded history?"

1998, but it looks like this year is a contender:

"Britain's Meteorological Office said there was a 60 percent probability that 2007 would break the record set by 1998, which was 1.20 degrees over the long-term average."

Scientists Say 2007 May Be Warmest Yet | LiveScience

[Just Lucky]

Lest our Norwegian friends feel left out of the discussion:

Roald Amundsen (1872-1928) of Norway was the first person to successfully navigate the fabled Northwest Passage.
His journey took three years to complete - he and his crew had to wait while the frozen sea around them thawed enough to allow for navigation.
His little 47 ton fishing boat, Gjøa (pronounced "y-eu-a") was finally able to leave his Arctic base at Gjøahaven (today - Gjoa Haven, Nunavut), and on August 26, 1905 he and his 6-man crew encountered a ship bearing down on them from the west. They were through the Northwest Passage! Amundsen was fascinated with polar exploration (as a youth, he slept with the windows open during frigid Norwegian winters to condition himself) and he took pride in being referred to as "the last of the Vikings". He was also the first person to reach the South Pole (1911), and one of the first (with Umberto Nobile and Lincoln Ellsworth) to fly over the North Pole in a dirigible (1926).

[PlayadelSoul]

Originally Posted by melliedee

1998, but it looks like this year is a contender:

"Britain's Meteorological Office said there was a 60 percent probability that 2007 would break the record set by 1998, which was 1.20 degrees over the long-term average."

Scientists Say 2007 May Be Warmest Yet | LiveScience

In the US,

Now, the ten hottest years on record in the U.S., beginning with the hottest year, are: 1934, 1998, 1921, 2006, 1931, 1999, 1953, 1990, 1938 and 1939. Before the revision, that list read: 1998, 1934, 2006, 1921, 1931, 1999, 1953, 2001, 1990 and 1938. The re-ranking completely knocked 2001 off the top 10 list.

A little error in the math, which was quietly corrected.

[Just Lucky]

Originally Posted by PlayadelSoul

In the US,



A little error in the math, which was quietly corrected.

Goodness, What is it with the right and parochialism. Weather and the climate do not stop and start at the US borders. I noted your question was what was the hottest year on record. I think the country specific data is a rather glaring problem. We all live on one planet one must look at the worldwide climate not the temperature of Muskogee, Oklahoma last Tuesday.

[PlayadelSoul]

Originally Posted by Just Lucky

Goodness, What is it with the right and parochialism. Weather and the climate do not stop and start at the US borders. I noted your question was what was the hottest year on record. I think the country specific data is a rather glaring problem. We all live on one planet one must look at the worldwide climate not the temperature of Muskogee, Oklahoma last Tuesday.

Sorry, if I left out the "US" part. The incorrect numbers were the ones used in "An Inconvenient Truth". They were found to be incorrect. If the numbers in the US were incorrect, the numbers worldwide are most likely faulty, as well. Last I heard, the US was part of the planet.

[PlayadelSoul]

The world has a temperature?

ScienceDaily: Researchers Question Validity Of A 'Global Temperature'

Average without meaning

"It is impossible to talk about a single temperature for something as complicated as the climate of Earth", Bjarne Andresen says, an an expert of thermodynamics. "A temperature can be defined only for a homogeneous system. Furthermore, the climate is not governed by a single temperature. Rather, differences of temperatures drive the processes and create the storms, sea currents, thunder, etc. which make up the climate".

[ryberg]

Originally Posted by PlayadelSoul

I did a little research on the article Steve posted regarding the melting of Arctic ice. The article claims that it is a "record" ice melt. What it fails to mention is that the records only go back to 1979. Remember that the 70's were one of the coolest decades in recent times. There was even fear of a global cooling (new Ice Age).

Records regarding the amount of ice in it have only been kept since 1972.

At best, the article misrepresents with terms like "record" and "in history". At worst, it is more scare tactics.

Dr Jeff would also appear to be a scaremonger, then, on this point, as he continues to express concern even while noting (and in the very first paragraph, I believe) that reliable records only go back to 1979 (according to his version):

One third of Arctic ice cap now missing (August 24th, 2007)

But then he also appears to be an ornery kind of expert to have to deal with and maybe even a persona non grata from the skeptics' point of view. If you remember, he's on record as having noted the accuracy of Gore's movie (which all you skeptics just pooh-pooh, it seems)

the science is mostly good, and at times compelling, but there are a few errors and one major distortion of the truth. Gore does an excellent job focusing on the most important issues and usually presents them with a minimum of hype and distortion.

and strongly recommending the IPCC report you view as just a policy document by politically motivated types, Mark

perhaps the least politicized source of information is the latest scientific summary of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), a group of over 2000 scientists from 100 countries working under a mandate from the United Nations in the largest peer-reviewed scientific collaboration in history.

(review of An Inconvenient Truth)

Well now I at least am back in that discussion: I looked up my own posts to find those last 2 quotes again!

Steve

[Just Lucky]

Originally Posted by PlayadelSoul

Sorry, if I left out the "US" part. The incorrect numbers were the ones used in "An Inconvenient Truth". They were found to be incorrect. If the numbers in the US were incorrect, the numbers worldwide are most likely faulty, as well. Last I heard, the US was part of the planet.

You might wish to take a look at this research:Met Office: Climate change

[PlayadelSoul]

Originally Posted by ryberg

Dr Jeff would also appear to be a scaremonger, then, on this point, as he continues to express concern even while noting (and in the very first paragraph, I believe) that reliable records only go back to 1979 (according to his version):

One third of Arctic ice cap now missing (August 24th, 2007)

But then he also appears to be an ornery kind of expert to have to deal with and maybe even a persona non grata from the skeptics' point of view. If you remember, he's on record as having noted the accuracy of Gore's movie (which all you skeptics just pooh-pooh, it seems)

and strongly recommending the IPCC report you view as just a policy document by politically motivated types, Mark

(review of An Inconvenient Truth)

Well now I at least am back in that discussion: I looked up my own posts to find those last 2 quotes again!

Steve

I can't understand why you keep referring to Dr. Masters. He is a meteorologist, not a climatologist.

[Jacko]

Man is to blame for Global Warming, U.S. Admits...click here
This is GW's top science advisor? He sounds like he works for Al Gore!


George Bush's top scientific advisor has delivered the strongest statement yet from within the US administration that greenhouse gas emissions caused by human activity are to blame for climate change.

Professor John Marburger said it was more than 90 per cent likely that mankind was causing global warming and that the earth may become "unlivable" without reductions in CO2 output.

"You only have two choices; you either have advanced technologies and get them into the marketplace, or you shut down your economies and put people out of work."

- Professor John Marburger, White House science advisor on the options available for addressing global warming

[Rissask]

Y'all would have liked the new display at the BC Museum I saw last week on climate change.
Lots of fancy models and maps with projected changes for Canada, etc. and scary videos of tornadoes and hurricanes and forest fires, accompanied by a scrolling list of the things people can do to make a difference.

It was right around the corner from a huge wall showing the earth's geographical and climate changes in the last 100 million years or so, along with all the different species groups that arose and then fell..... I thought it was a bit.... funny? Ironic?

[ryberg]

Originally Posted by PlayadelSoul

I can't understand why you keep referring to Dr. Masters. He is a meteorologist, not a climatologist.

And a scaremonger, don't forget.

Steve

[PlayadelSoul]

Originally Posted by ryberg

And a scaremonger, don't forget.

Steve

Actually, not a scaremonger. More like the guy that says "I am not a lawyer, but play one on TV."

I had my wife's OB/GYN check out my colonoscopy results. He said that he couldn't find many flaws in it. I also asked my family economist to check out my taxes. (You know, health is health and money is money).

[melliedee]

Originally Posted by Jacko

Man is to blame for Global Warming, U.S. Admits...click here
This is GW's top science advisor? He sounds like he works for Al Gore!


George Bush's top scientific advisor has delivered the strongest statement yet from within the US administration that greenhouse gas emissions caused by human activity are to blame for climate change.

Professor John Marburger said it was more than 90 per cent likely that mankind was causing global warming and that the earth may become "unlivable" without reductions in CO2 output.

"You only have two choices; you either have advanced technologies and get them into the marketplace, or you shut down your economies and put people out of work."

- Professor John Marburger, White House science advisor on the options available for addressing global warming

Thanks for that link, Jacko. W's adviser even agrees with these guys:

"Prof Marburger's views are in line with the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a body set up by the UN to review scientific research around the world."

[Jacko]

Originally Posted by melliedee

Thanks for that link, Jacko. W's adviser even agrees with these guys:

"Prof Marburger's views are in line with the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a body set up by the UN to review scientific research around the world."

I know...and whats this? No comment from the right on the article or the quotes?