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Old 08-29-2007   #16 (permalink)
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There is already something very similar, and it is a valid undergrad degree. It came from Home Economics and became: Family and Consumer Science

Our department offered that major up until 6 years ago. It was open to anyone, but female students only applied...

Their organization is here: AAFCS - Home Page
'Valid' being a subjective term?

I dunno. Maybe I am an education snob (I would not call a degree in homeopathy valid either, for example).

Certainly being a homemaker/SAHM is a valid, worthwhile, and important job. But a job for which there is degree required or given ....I don't think so.

I do think it is good that both boys and girls take home ec classes in school...not only cooking but how about how to set up a household budget and other financial tips....how to paint a room, change the oil in your car, change a thermocouple on your water heater, look after a lawn, how to grow a garden and canning, etc.
You know, truly useful things.
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Old 08-29-2007   #18 (permalink)
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An American 'university' is offering a degree program designed for women who feel a calling to be a housewife/homemaker.

There were two people (one from Focus on the Family one from "Beyond the Boardroom") discussing it on the Today show this week.







What are your thoughts on a bachelor's degree in homemaking?
Laughable. Homemaking skills are learned through the generations and common sense. Why would anyone pay for such a thing? Sounds like a waste of money and time to me. Just my two cents.
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hmmmmm...After working in Social Services for many years I think classes in parenting and family and Consumer Science for both genders would be beneficial in some cases. Kids in our school district still have to take FCS by the way.
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Laughable. Homemaking skills are learned through the generations and common sense. Why would anyone pay for such a thing? Sounds like a waste of money and time to me. Just my two cents.
Believe me....there are MANY who learn from dysfunctional families and who have no common sense! I have seen and worked with too many kids whose parents were just NUTS!!!!

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Believe me....there are MANY who learn from dysfunctional families and who have no common sense! I have seen and worked with too many kids who parents were just NUTS!!!!

I agree... I think the classroom can teach a lot of useful skills. Budgeting/bill paying, child health, cooking/nutrition... these things are not necessarily taught by parents to children--and if they are, sometimes are way out of whack!
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My brothers and I learned homemaking skills from our mother and father.

No sisters, but we did have maids for the 7 years we lived in Brazil.
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I agree... I think the classroom can teach a lot of useful skills. Budgeting/bill paying, child health, cooking/nutrition... these things are not necessarily taught by parents to children--and if they are, sometimes are way out of whack!
Yes....but are we talking about early youth education programs, adult programs or both? And.......if adult programs...sorry I didn't read the whole article as I'm limited in time" are paid out of pocket by the student......you have to factor in their willingness to participate in a program such as this and income level as well........and was there a fee stated?
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Heck, even some of the Baptists think it's silly....one of them said:

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and this is particularly revolting....

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In 2003, when Patterson left his post as president of North Carolina's Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary to serve as Southwestern's president, he was asked whether women would teach in the seminary's theology school under his leadership.

"The New Testament is crystal clear that pastors are to be men," he said.

In March, a former Southwestern professor filed a federal lawsuit against the school and Patterson, alleging she was fired from her tenure-track position because she was a woman.

Professor Sheri Klouda was hired in 2002 and was the only woman to teach at the School of Theology. But last spring, school officials informed Klouda that her contract was terminated because she was "a mistake that the trustees needed to fix," the lawsuit states.

Patterson's wife, Dorothy Patterson, is the only woman faculty member now teaching in Southwestern's theology school.

David Key, director of Baptist studies at Emory University's Candler School of Theology, said part of the reason why the seminary may be introducing the new homemaking program is in reaction to the Klouda lawsuit.

"Women continue to make more inroads into traditional male bastions, which could be provoking Patterson to do this," Key said. Patterson is "trying to draw the line in the sand of where women need to be."
Heaven forbid ladies, that we forget our place!
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Riss, I'm zipping my lip on the last quote!
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Coming from a "homemaker" Possibly they would want it for more respect. In my experience it is thought of you just stay home. That there isnt a talent or job to it. Its just doing simple stuff. Perhaps they would like some validity to what they do. BTW, I dont think it would be a bad thing for parents to take childhood development and psych classes. Being a stay at home mom is one of the toughest, least aprreciated jobs there is why not let some feel that they have a job that does require some training to do well. As of now you need training and skills to do most menial office jobs however it is assumed that any one can be in charge of raising our future generations. that is ridiculous. (and no it not a sore spot with me at all)

On the other end I know of at least one stay at home Dad. My friend has a fairly good paying job with lots of oppurtunity for advancement. her husband would not be in that position. with the cost of infant care here it would probably cost them more to have him working tan for him to get a job and send the baby to child care. It is still a new kind of arrangement but I am seeing more of it lately.
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Mom Deserves A Raise In 2007 Salary.com's™ Annual Valuation of Mom's Job Reveals That Stay-at-Home Mom's Salary is $138,095, a 3% Increase Over Last Year
Waltham, MA, May 2nd, 2007 -- Salary.com, Inc. (NASDAQ: SLRY), a leading provider of on-demand compensation management solutions, announced today the 2007 Mom Salary survey. Based on its survey of more than 40,000 mothers, Salary.com determined that the time mothers spend performing 10 typical job functions would equate to an annual salary of $138,095 for a stay-at-home hom. This is a 3 percent increase over the 2006 salary of $134,121, but still nearly one percentage point below employers' prediction of an average 3.9 precent annual pay increase according to a Salary.com survey. Working Mom's 'at-home' salary is $85,939 in 2007--an increase of only $63 from last year; this is in addition to the salary they earn in the workplace. "This is Salary.com's seventh year looking at the value of mom's work and there's always a surprise element," said Bill Coleman, senior vice president and chief compensation officer at Salary.com. "Mom works multiple jobs and rarely gets a break from the action, working an average of 52 hours of overtime. The lower than average merit increase reflects that many of the 'mom jobs' are not as highly valued as the management, non-exempt and executive jobs performed by most US employees."
A large portion of mom's salary is from the amount of overtime worked. According to the Salary.com survey, stay-at-home moms work a 92 hour "workweek" – more than half her time spent on the job is overtime. Working moms, however, logged over 9 hours of overtime for an average 49 hour mom work week beyond their full time paying jobs.
In past Mom Surveys, many playfully asked, "So, who will pay mom's salary?" This year, Salary.com worked with Abbott's Similac brand to create a nationwide contest to answer this question. Abbott is holding the "Similac Mom's $135K Payday" contest, which will award one mother with a full year's salary in recognition for all her hard work. For more information, visit http://SimilacMomsPayday.com.
Workplace Trends = "Marketable Moms"
More and more moms are considering re-entering the workforce and want tangible ways to value the real skills they have gained and transfer them into their next job. Employers are increasingly looking to moms as a strong recruitment pool, especially in light of the tightening labor market. Not only are they talented, they're experienced managers, motivators, decision makers and client specialists after spending time in both the workforce and as a mother.
"We believe it is important that mothers understand the value of the work they are doing," said Bill Coleman, senior vice president of compensation at Salary.com. "If mom decides to re-enter the workforce, she should be aware that while she may have been out of the workforce, the skills she has gained by raising kids is transferable to the workplace."
Salary.com's research indicates that there are real skills stay-at-home moms can leverage to become "marketable moms" in the eyes of potential employers. For complete results, please visit http://mom.salary.com.
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Moms and their families can visit http://mom.salary.com and create their own "mom paycheck" with the Mom Salary Wizard®, the first interactive tool that allows moms and their families to price the "mom job," based on location and mom's personal hours worked in each of the 10 roles. Users can create a hypothetical mom paycheck and mom pay stub, which can be printed and emailed to family and friends for Mother's Day.
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Salary.com defined the Mom job description as a "hybrid job description" with over 10 jobs that make up the position of Mom. The job titles that best matched a mom's definition of her work are (in order of hours spent per week): housekeeper, day care center teacher, cook, computer operator, laundry machine operator, janitor, facilities manager, van driver, CEO and psychologist. Over 40,000 moms quantified their hours per job description and Salary.com benchmarked the median salaries for each job to the national median salary for each position as reported by employers. The final salary was calculated by weighting the salaries and hours worked in each role.
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Coming from a "homemaker" Possibly they would want it for more respect. In my experience it is thought of you just stay home. That there isnt a talent or job to it. Its just doing simple stuff. Perhaps they would like some validity to what they do. BTW, I dont think it would be a bad thing for parents to take childhood development and psych classes. Being a stay at home mom is one of the toughest, least aprreciated jobs there is why not let some feel that they have a job that does require some training to do well. As of now you need training and skills to do most menial office jobs however it is assumed that any one can be in charge of raising our future generations. that is ridiculous. (and no it not a sore spot with me at all)

On the other end I know of at least one stay at home Dad. My friend has a fairly good paying job with lots of oppurtunity for advancement. her husband would not be in that position. with the cost of infant care here it would probably cost them more to have him working tan for him to get a job and send the baby to child care. It is still a new kind of arrangement but I am seeing more of it lately.


Unfortunately the university offering the degree probably does not see it this way. In fact, I'd venture to guess it's just the opposite.
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I'm not so sure that being a "stay at home Mom" is such a tough job. I mean what exactly do stay at home moms do all day? I raised two kids and worked, sometime 2 or 3 jobs at the same time and still did all the things that a stay at home mom does and I didn't find it all that tough. And... I didn't need a degree to make me a better Mom... and I don't care how many times I tried to learn to sew I still can't...
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Unfortunately the university offering the degree probably does not see it this way. In fact, I'd venture to guess it's just the opposite.
Yeah, I see more as teaching women their "place" in a god-fearing home...
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