Thank You Texas......

[alwaysmissinpdc]

Originally Posted by Kellyk

I called the police (and the boyfriend)...the police asked if there was a gun in the house
.."yes".

"Well if this guy so much as comes to your door or window...shoot him, and shoot to kill...then drag his sorry a$$ inside."

[ quote=Mikey] drag them inside? Ugh.....[/quote]

Do it, small price to pay, even factoring therapy.

[Seakony]

Dear Santa, I want a new gun.

[Bumper]

This pretty much covers both themes.

[ANDY&JEN]

Pit bull is a term that describes several types of dogs with similar physical characteristics. There are several physically similar breeds that are mistakenly termed "pit bull", including the Indian Bull Terrier, Argentine Dogo, the American Bulldog,the Bull Terrier, the Perro de Presa Canario, Boxer, English Bulldog ,Cane Corso, the Mastiff and American Staffordshire Terrier. These breeds are usually not included by name in any Breed Specific Legislation (see below), but are sometimes included because of a broad definition and confusion as to what a pit bull actually is. All of these breeds as well as many others (including Great Danes, Newfoundlands and Rottweilers) are members of the Molosser family of dog breeds.
There are 25+ breeds that are commonly incorrectly identified as pit bulls. .
Currently Golden retrievers, German Shepherds and Chows are higher than a pitbull in the amount of yearly attacks.

In many shelters across the United States, Pit bulls or dogs that appear to be pit bulls comprise a large portion of the shelter's population and may be destroyed due to the stigma associated with the breed (or because of overcrowding).
Although friendliness and tolerance towards humans are traits of these breeds, there are, as in any breed, those that are dangerous toward humans. It is the owner's responsibility to be in total control of his dog(s), and it is the owner who, through intentional mistreatment or neglect, is frequently responsible for dog bites. Most attacks by other dog breeds are misclassified as "pit bulls" by media reports
Under the care of an overly-permissive or uneducated owner, any other large breed can become very dangerous dogs.
I am deeply sorry for anyone who has lost a child or family member to a dog attack and any dog responsible for such a horrrific attack should without question be destroyed.
I have not posted this to start an arguement or to get anyones back up,this is just the post of an owner of 4 "pit bull type" dogs past and present.

[cuffedlinks]

Originally Posted by alwaysmissinpdc

...."Well, then, let me tell you something, if I come to a crime scene in my own home and you shot at an invader, I damn well better need to draw a chalk outline."...

Wouldn't be the first time chalk outlines were seen in a Texas Peep's home......

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[Joana]

As for the dogs- there was trouble here with different breeds, not only pitbulls, attacking and killing people.

General agreement was that if that happens it is to a large part due to the owner and how he brings up the dog- agressive owner, agressive dog.

Since a while there are strict laws concerning these dogs as well as big breeds- the owners have to do an official test with them to show they are not aggressive or react weird to certain situations (such as someone screaming and jumping towards them) and listen to the owner. Sort of a "dog license".
They also have to be leashed in public and often wear one of those "snout baskets".


As for death penalty for sex offenders- as tempting as it is to go YAY on that one as noone likes them.......I still have to go NAY as I am against death penalty in general.

[KelliG]

Originally Posted by TAPPY

I know some people just love pit bulls...and I have met a few that I thought were really good dogs. BUT they are so unpredictable...it is the nature of the breed. I think it would be highly irresponsible to have one if you have small children around. How horrible for the family to lose a child in that way.

I lived in Broward County Florida....Fort Lauderdale from 1976 until 1996.....it was AGAINST THE LAW to own a pit bull....I LIKE that!

[KelliG]

Originally Posted by alwaysmissinpdc

Will show this to Henry in case he hasn't read the news on it already. He has begun to mention Texas over South Carolina for retirement

He is a police officer. When I moved in with him I told him I wanted to learn how to shoot very accurately. I didn't want to take a life, I wanted to be able to take out a knee cap to thwart an attack.

He said, "Honey, do you want to spend years fighting a bass akwards law suit for maiming someone who invaded our home?"

"No", I replied.

"Well, then, let me tell you something, if I come to a crime scene in my own home and you shot at an invader, I damn well better need to draw a chalk outline."

"That's harsh, honey," replied my naive self.

"That's reality, babe." said he.

"I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6".... a phrase I learned in my CHL class! When your LIFE is threatened, you shoot to KILL (chest...largest area of the body)...NOT to maim.

[KelliG]

Originally Posted by kirbyfan

Texas rocks!

Wife still wants to move to Florida...I am thinking Texas might be better all the time.

OY!!!! SOOOO expensice to live there...look at home insurance....doubled after hurricanes of 2004 (or was it 2005)...MANY can't afford to pay it anymore and are moving out of the state!

[JEZ]

Leathal injection for two times child molesters - what a great idea.

Now the gun issue. Well firstly most of you who live there who have posted, (and many others too) seem to be pleased so I am am happy for you. Still dont you think that this new rule ramps up the stakes on the home intrusion issue ? Senario being previuosly a home breaker comes upon homeowner who typicaly won't shoot to kill as they might end up in prison for a longtime. Current scenario could be that the homebreaker shoots home owner immediately as there is any type of interaction/ confrontation as he now knows the homeowner can kill him without problem....

Just a different view, and for what its worth would be a reason to leave Texas rather than to move there for me personally - despite all the other good things that are going on there.

[kirbyfan]

Originally Posted by KelliG

OY!!!! SOOOO expensice to live there...look at home insurance....doubled after hurricanes of 2004 (or was it 2005)...MANY can't afford to pay it anymore and are moving out of the state!

We were thinking of renting, would that solve that problem Kelli??

[kirbyfan]

Originally Posted by ANDY&JEN

Pit bull is a term that describes several types of dogs with similar physical characteristics. There are several physically similar breeds that are mistakenly termed "pit bull", including the Indian Bull Terrier, Argentine Dogo, the American Bulldog,the Bull Terrier, the Perro de Presa Canario, Boxer, English Bulldog ,Cane Corso, the Mastiff and American Staffordshire Terrier. These breeds are usually not included by name in any Breed Specific Legislation (see below), but are sometimes included because of a broad definition and confusion as to what a pit bull actually is. All of these breeds as well as many others (including Great Danes, Newfoundlands and Rottweilers) are members of the Molosser family of dog breeds.
There are 25+ breeds that are commonly incorrectly identified as pit bulls. .
Currently Golden retrievers, German Shepherds and Chows are higher than a pitbull in the amount of yearly attacks.

In many shelters across the United States, Pit bulls or dogs that appear to be pit bulls comprise a large portion of the shelter's population and may be destroyed due to the stigma associated with the breed (or because of overcrowding).
Although friendliness and tolerance towards humans are traits of these breeds, there are, as in any breed, those that are dangerous toward humans. It is the owner's responsibility to be in total control of his dog(s), and it is the owner who, through intentional mistreatment or neglect, is frequently responsible for dog bites. Most attacks by other dog breeds are misclassified as "pit bulls" by media reports
Under the care of an overly-permissive or uneducated owner, any other large breed can become very dangerous dogs.
I am deeply sorry for anyone who has lost a child or family member to a dog attack and any dog responsible for such a horrrific attack should without question be destroyed.
I have not posted this to start an arguement or to get anyones back up,this is just the post of an owner of 4 "pit bull type" dogs past and present.

You can say what you want about other dogs and their amount of attack being higher, but I would seriously question deadlier. I have NEVER heard of a Golden attacking and killing anyone, let alone a child...although I am sure it has happened at some point. I hear probobly dang near monthly about a pit bull attacking and killing someone, often a child. I never hear stories about other dogs doing this, so my intrepretation is that even though other dogs may bite at times they arent killers. Pit Bulls are killers, they are dangerous dogs and should be treated like it. Personally I dont think they should even be allowed to be owned by the average Joe but if they must, I think the dog owner should go through training classes and have to be licensed.

[Ginger]

Originally Posted by kirbyfan

You can say what you want about other dogs and their amount of attack being higher, but I would seriously question deadlier. I have NEVER heard of a Golden attacking and killing anyone, let alone a child...although I am sure it has happened at some point. I hear probobly dang near monthly about a pit bull attacking and killing someone, often a child. I never hear stories about other dogs doing this, so my intrepretation is that even though other dogs may bite at times they arent killers. Pit Bulls are killers, they are dangerous dogs and should be treated like it. Personally I dont think they should even be allowed to be owned by the average Joe but if they must, I think the dog owner should go through training classes and have to be licensed.

I haven't read the whole thread, but I have to agree with Kirby here on this point. I've owned a staffordshire terrier AND a 'pit bull'. Both were basically the same dog, different stature (one shorter, stockier). They were both wonderful, loving dogs....at the same time they could be unpredictable. I feel that these breeds have a strong kill instinct. I also had many friends way back when with these breeds. I know that many of them would not only chase a cat, but if caught they would literally destroy the poor thing. Mine had to be leashed at all times, they would chase cats like crazy. And they weren't so great with other dogs unless the other dog was completely submissive...I think this breed is a very dominant type and if other dogs present any kind of challenge they will take them up on it. And because of this unpredicatbility, I would not have left either of them alone with kids.

I know other dogs bite...I was attacked by a German Shepherd when I was a child, and still have the scars to prove it. But I think the difference is the predictability and the intensity of the attack.

[Mikey]

Originally Posted by JEZ

Leathal injection for two times child molesters - what a great idea.

Now the gun issue. Well firstly most of you who live there who have posted, (and many others too) seem to be pleased so I am am happy for you. Still dont you think that this new rule ramps up the stakes on the home intrusion issue ? Senario being previuosly a home breaker comes upon homeowner who typicaly won't shoot to kill as they might end up in prison for a longtime. Current scenario could be that the homebreaker shoots home owner immediately as there is any type of interaction/ confrontation as he now knows the homeowner can kill him without problem....
Just a different view, and for what its worth would be a reason to leave Texas rather than to move there for me personally - despite all the other good things that are going on there.

Thats hard to say.....I mean there are murders here everyday.....Everyday for the last five years the news starts off with two dead, one dead whatever......From robbery, drugs, car jacking, etc......Most of the time when you hear of a homeowner shooting an intruder they are obviously home. I mean not to long ago a 70 year old woman shot an intruder that was breaking in to her house.....I would think that actually walking in on someone who is robbing you in not that common....And as far as them tying you up you see that alot in the older movies.....It really does not apply in the real world here in Dallas at least....They either run or they are going to shoot you anyway so you cant identify them and If you are a woman you have a good chance of something else happening to you.....If someone is going to break into a home and steal what a person has worked hard for they deserve what they get....You just need to make sure that If you do shoot them that you put them down for good....So there is no chance of them coming back....I have no compassion for thieves or rapists....And I would much rather have my taxes going to the elderly that need help or those less fortunate that need help then paying for a place for thieves and rapists to stay......

[ANDY&JEN]

Originally Posted by kirbyfan

You can say what you want about other dogs and their amount of attack being higher, but I would seriously question deadlier. I have NEVER heard of a Golden attacking and killing anyone, let alone a child...although I am sure it has happened at some point. I hear probobly dang near monthly about a pit bull attacking and killing someone, often a child. I never hear stories about other dogs doing this, so my intrepretation is that even though other dogs may bite at times they arent killers. Pit Bulls are killers, they are dangerous dogs and should be treated like it. Personally I dont think they should even be allowed to be owned by the average Joe but if they must, I think the dog owner should go through training classes and have to be licensed.

Like i said at rhe end of my post, i am not after argument and it wasnt a rant , just some points i took from the internet, yes unfortunatly there have been maulings and even deaths caused by Labs and Retrievers (they are on every sties top 10), just as there have with many dogs even a Pomeranian that killed a 6 week old baby, pit bulls (and there is no specific breed named pit bull) are not themselves dangerous ,many factors lead to dog attacks and the main one being owner irresponsbility... at the moment it is politically sound to get on the "Pitbulls are evil" bandwagon and the same applies to the media, sensationalism sells.
As to never hearing stories about other dogs attacking and killing is due in the most part that the pit-bull is mistakenly blamed for most, when have you ever sen the headline American bull terrier maims.... or English bulldogs kills !!! its because any dog that does not fall into a breed specific catagory (and this includes cross bred dogs) are called pits, my personal view is that this is wrong.