your personal environmental efforts (not political!)

[horizon200]

I'd say the biggest impact we have in the area of environmental conservation is our choice not to have children......that's huge

Fully support your right to that decision, but if everyone felt that way, who would we be saving the Earth for?

[Rissask]

Buy organic (dairy, veggies, when I can)

That is debatable (whether it is really 'environmentally friendly' or just a trendy, niche market for the richy rich. )

But I will refrain, Steve wants to keep it civil.

[Rissask]

Originally Posted by horizon200

Fully support your right to that decision, but if everyone felt that way, who would we be saving the Earth for?

That's pretty doubtful that 'everyone is going to feel that way' isn't it?

A few billion more who did, wouldn't hurt though.

[Jacko]

Originally Posted by Rissask

That is debatable (whether it is really 'environmentally friendly' or just a trendy, niche market for the richy rich. )

But I will refrain, Steve wants to keep it civil.

Of course using less chemicals is environmentally friendly--ier.....particularly fewer herbicides and insecticides..not so much with the fertilizers....but I digress..or is that pro-gress? ..peace Riss...

[Jacko]

Originally Posted by Rissask

That's pretty doubtful that 'everyone is going to feel that way' isn't it?

A few billion more who did, wouldn't hurt though.

Fewer children per family makes sense at any rate......

[melliedee]

Originally Posted by Rissask

That is debatable (whether it is really 'environmentally friendly' or just a trendy, niche market for the richy rich. )

But I will refrain, Steve wants to keep it civil.

You lookin at me, Riss?

In the summer I buy a lot of local, farmer's market produce. But I buy organic for health reasons as well (hormone free milk, chicken, ect.) Many organic companies explain their farming philosophies: no pesticides, small batches, cruelty free for animals, and even more donate a lot to charities (Newman's a big one.)

I guess it has become trendy, but if you read about the way a lot of things are produced it would gross you out.

[sctx]

Originally Posted by horizon200

Fully support your right to that decision, but if everyone felt that way, who would we be saving the Earth for?

the Chinese of course

[Banzoomba]

got the ugly light bulbs
wife uses the bus to get to work
recycle bins for trash

[Rissask]

Originally Posted by Jacko

Of course using less chemicals is environmentally friendly--ier.....particularly fewer herbicides and insecticides..not so much with the fertilizers....but I digress..or is that pro-gress? ..peace Riss...

Sure Jacko, in theory, it sounds like a good plan...til you actually do some simple mathematics and find you would need thousands of Earths to grow enough food organically to feel the almost 6 billion we have today.
It's just an impractical pipe dream for the population on the global scale.

Now if you are Joe Schmo from Idaho and have a few acres and can grow your own organic food and sell some on the side, yippee...and to hell with the crappy crop yields because you are charging an arm and a leg for it ...it's a really good thing.
I mean hell, I grow my veggies organically and they are dang tasty.

[horizon200]

Originally Posted by sctx

the Chinese of course

I knewed you had a plan up ur sleeve!

[jevans]

i drink every last drop of beer in my can or bottle so i don't waste any beer or any of the products that went into making the beer.

[ryberg]

Originally Posted by sctx

well, besides the thousands of trees planted every year, and the erosion control projects, and general public education efforts involved in my job position, I'd say the biggest impact we have in the area of environmental conservation is our choice not to have children......that's huge........

Originally Posted by ryberg

I think you took Maggie's answer there on not having children.

Originally Posted by Rissask

Ditto for us....

That's a good one about composting -- we just started that recently and it is surprising how much trash that takes out!

Steve

[sctx]

Originally Posted by ryberg

That's a good one about composting -- we just started that recently and it is surprising how much trash that takes out!

Steve

one of our friends nearby composts....every day, he gets off work, drinks a couple of beers and pees on his compost pile

[Jacko]

Originally Posted by sctx

one of our friends nearby composts....every day, he gets off work, drinks a couple of beers and pees on his compost pile

You know that works, right?

[birdman]

We live on the north end of Hood Canal in Wa state & get all the trash that is thrown in the bay by our "eco minded" friends to the south. (3 big marinas & lots of boat ramps down that way.)
Beer cans, styrofoam cups, plastic food wrappers, ect ect ect. You name it, we get it, about a ton a year I would guess.
I have never weighed it but have picked it up for the past 25 years.
Seems the same folks that are crying for cleaner air & water only do so during the week. Weekends come & they forget to practice what they have been preaching.