Support the Troops / Pro War?

[kirbyfan]

Originally Posted by melliedee

Do you think the thousands of people, including returning vets, who did not support the war in Vietnam, but absolutely supported the troops, were "copping out?"

Nope. I dont see how you can make a consistant arguement that you do not support an illegal and unjust war (as many have called it) and yet support the people that are carrying it out. They do not have to do what they are doing, yet they do so why would you support them. To me its akin to supporting the troops who were murdering Jews. They know whats right and wrong and they have made a choice, how can you support that choice when you know its wrong???

[roni]

Originally Posted by kirbyfan

Arent the orders to go to war by the President "illegal" in your opinion?

Kirbyfan, you are acting a lot dumber than you are and you are insulting the rest of us by the implication that we might lower ourselves to meet your feigned level of dumbness

The decision to go to war has never been declared illegal by any authority that I am aware of.

An order by an officer or NCO to murder innocent civilians, on the other hand, is an illegal order anytime, including during a legally declared war. You could look it up.

[PlayadelSoul]

Originally Posted by melliedee

Do you think the thousands of people, including returning vets, who did not support the war in Vietnam, but absolutely supported the troops, were "copping out?"

Some were. Most were patriotic Americans doing what they thought best, as is the case today. The problem stems from the fact that the majority of "good" dissenters accepted the actions of the "bad" dissenters, as part of the deal and the whole movement was tainted. Same as today.

[Tommygurl]

Originally Posted by kirbyfan

Nope. I dont see how you can make a consistant arguement that you do not support an illegal and unjust war (as many have called it) and yet support the people that are carrying it out. They do not have to do what they are doing, yet they do so why would you support them. To me its akin to supporting the troops who were murdering Jews. They know whats right and wrong and they have made a choice, how can you support that choice when you know its wrong???

Because I met a fresh faced 20 year old Marine in Alabama this summer who was soon to be deployed to Iraq. Who believed wholeheartedly in what he was going over to do........
I believe in kids like him...........

[roni]

Originally Posted by kirbyfan

Nope. I dont see how you can make a consistant arguement that you do not support an illegal and unjust war (as many have called it) and yet support the people that are carrying it out. They do not have to do what they are doing, yet they do so why would you support them. To me its akin to supporting the troops who were murdering Jews. They know whats right and wrong and they have made a choice, how can you support that choice when you know its wrong???

kirbyfan,

Are you starting to get the idea that we are not going to play your game regardless of how inflammatory you make your statements?

[Thor Henning]

Originally Posted by kirbyfan

Cop out IMO. If its illegal and unjust then they shouldnt be killing people in support of it and I cannot imagine why you would support them in doing so.

If I were an American.
I don't support war at all. But if my neighbor were in the army I would support him.

[roni]

Originally Posted by PlayadelSoul

Some were. Most were patriotic Americans doing what they thought best, as is the case today. The problem stems from the fact that the majority of "good" dissenters accepted the actions of the "bad" dissenters, as part of the deal and the whole movement was tainted. Same as today.

Good Dissenter and Bad Dissenter.

How do you define those terms?

[MikeW]

I hate this thread.
It's a rehash of posts from other war threads.
It's only here for spooning purposes.
This thread is going to have the same set of posters as posted in the other threads, with the same views.
It accomplishes nothing.

Must be a slow day at the office.

[PlayadelSoul]

Originally Posted by roni

Good Dissenter and Bad Dissenter.

How do you define those terms?

Spit is a good start.

[kirbyfan]

Originally Posted by MikeW

I hate this thread.
It's a rehash of posts from other war threads.
It's only here for spooning purposes.
This thread is going to have the same set of posters as posted in the other threads, with the same views.
It accomplishes nothing.

Must be a slow day at the office.

Fine with me, I outa the thread then. I was just trying to have people explain their positions.

[Babaloo]

Originally Posted by kirbyfan

Fine with me, I outa the thread then. I was just trying to have people explain their positions.

such a martyr
you are losing whatever touch you had
this thread went in the toilet by the 6th post
hmmm....6th post

[PlayadelSoul]

Yeah, don't want to force Mike to read anything he doesn't want to read.

Support the Cambridge Boy Scouts!!!

[kirbyfan]

Originally Posted by roni

kirbyfan,

Are you starting to get the idea that we are not going to play your game regardless of how inflammatory you make your statements?

Not trying to make inflamatory remarks Roni, just posting an example of how this logic is flawed. You have yet to make a consistant arguement on this and my guess is you cant because you know that in reality they dont go hand in hand. I will pm you.

[kirbyfan]

Originally Posted by Babaloo

such a martyr
you are losing whatever touch you had
this thread went in the toilet by the 6th post
hmmm....6th post

Then dont read it.

I am trying to have people clarify a position that i think is a little hypocritical, nobody is forced to respond.

Oh and I havent lost touch with anything babs, its called a discussion and in a discussion when people turn to personal attacks they are usually losing the discussion.

[Rissask]

Yes you can be anti-war (or, against THIS particular war) and still support the soldiers.

Originally Posted by kirbyfan
Cop out IMO. If its illegal and unjust then they shouldnt be killing people in support of it and I cannot imagine why you would support them in doing so.

Not at all a cop-out.

The soldiers didn't decide to invade Iraq. (Or, like ours, go into Afghanistan.)

That is all in the government's lap. OUR governments, voted in by us- therefore our laps, really.

The miltary hinges on you following orders, not questioning them. If that wasn't how it worked, we'd have anarchy. Not the smoothest way for a country to be run.

Sure, I agree soldiers should have the right to be conscientious objectors though. There are quite a few who were in Iraq who were/are-right? That has to be their right, ultimately. But if they feel that way, they likely should not have been in the miltary to begin with.

(There are groups who are pacifists and don't support any wars, ever, at any time too. They get automatic conscientious objector status, say in case of a draft. Like the Amish, Mennonites, Hutterites, etc. But I am sure they don't 'not support' the actual soldiers- anyone who can't separate the two is just too ignorant and black and white.)