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Old 06-14-2003   #1 (permalink)
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PuebloSacbe owners/interested parties (from General Topics)

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A friend of mine and I bought a small lot of land in the Pueblo Sacbe eco-village that's being gradually developed.
I am going to move over to the PuebloSacbe thread and encourage Dave and Denisea and others to follow me over there and maybe we can activate that place and get some discussion going there.
Hi Dave and Denisea,

Tom gave Kathy and I a tour when we were down in early May. We are interested enough to return in December, in part to further check out Sacbe. I have been in communication with one other owner here in Portland, a man we met while down there in May.

Dave, you wrote that you bought a lot with another couple. Are you planning to use it primarily as vacation property? Have you been back down since you purchased it?

There seems to be some potential for small businesses at Pueblo Sacbe. There are, I believe, somewhere around 500 lots available. With enough permanent residents at some future date, small stores, eateries, etc....seem like they might be viable.

Tom said they were planning a healh center that would have retreats and workshops and that folks coming in for those could really use bed and breakfast places on site.

Another thing that intrigued me was the mention that co-housing would be an allowable use. This is something that I have been interested in for some time. I don't know if any of the readers are familiar with it, but the short version is that a group of people form a organization and, in addition to building their own living space, there are common spaces (community kitchen, laundry, library, guest quarters and equipment. What this can mean is that instead of everyone have guest facilities in their home, guests are able to use the community guest quarters.

It can reduce the amount of equipment needed. Ten families may be able to get along fine with 4 washing machines instead of the standard one in each house. It is enviromentally more friendly and also an excellent way to create community.

Well, that is enough for now. It would delight me if some discussion could get going around these and other issues; if owners would post about their experiences here, if the developers would write about their visions, dreams etc....

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Wonderful idea

Ron,

Thanks for initiating this. It's exactly the type of forum that I'd hoped we could get going amongst those who have bought land in Pueblo Sacbe or are thinking about it. That way, those that visit can provide updates to those of us up North looking for village info.

My friend Lisa and I bought lot (43 I think on the website's new map function) in Phase I last October, after a summer visit and a couple of months of pondering the dream. But I think we both new our decision the day we stepped foot on the land. It really captured our imagination. I think the Punte Bete beach really sealed it.

We could only afford a small lot and chose one at the end of the road for maximum tranquility and one that backed onto one of the large parks...so it feels like a huge lot!! Must say, the pleasurable dreamtime it's given me since is worth the price of purchase alone.

We'll spend the next couple of years paying it off, then decide what kind of casa we want to build on the site. In the interim, I may camp out there the odd night or two when I visit Playa. Our intention is to use it as a vacation property for ourselves, family and friends. We could also rent it out to people coming to Tom and Joanne's healing retreat. We've already spent many hours dreaming up our own architecture for the house...simply, airy.

Upon our retirement, which is many years away yet, we plan on getting relief from our brutal Canadian winters and spending a few months each year, if not more. I dream of retiring a little early from my job and pick up a skill like pottery and/or run a small seasonal business down there. But that's a while off yet...you can always dream.

I see lots of long term potential for small businesses there, internet cafes, restaurants, fruit and veggie shop selling fruit from village gardens (looking to plant a mango tree), guided tours thru the jungle, etc. We'll definatley need a little communal bar someday.

On a personal level, I'm also becoming increasingly interested in meditation and would like to become proficient enough to instruct others someday or maybe just start a village meditation group. Seems like a great place to practice.

Lisa and I went back and visited Playa last March, only partially to see the progress...really it was the shrimp tacos. Roads were being cut, a few new dwellings were being planned and built and water pumps being drilled. Some of the land was cleared. We're getting ours cleared (perhaps thinned is a better description of this process) after this rainy season. There are a number of uniform-looking mounds and patterns on our lot, so I'm curious to look closer to see if, by any slim chance, there's evidence of old Maya sites There are certainly other Maya mounds that exist in the village.

What was really nice was visiting the people and beginning to get to know some of the residents like Hari and Ted. As we visit over time, our hope is that we'll develop ongoing relationships with people in the village and when we do spend longer periods there, it will feel like home neighborhood.

I really love the idea of group equipment. Really don't see much need for a washing machine in every house....certainly not given our needs. I could see a number of things that could be shared like washing machines, weed wackers, tree trimmers, etc.

I'm planning another trip back in November and, if the money gods are kind, again in March with Lisa.

Thanks again for starting this thread Ron. It would be great if we could get others talking.

If I'm not mistaken James is involved with the village as well, but I haven't met him yet.

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Dave, thanks for responding!!

Lot 43, eh. I have my eyes on one of two small lots near there

We are going back to Playa in December, and will spend some more time at PuebloSacbe. I have written to see if any accomodations might be available there, but of course it is too early to know.

I do not know how soon we will buy. I am not 100% sure that we will, but I do know we would really like to.

A question and request: Would you consider posting about your experiences with buying land in Mexico? What method did you use? How long did it take you? Details, please .

I will write an owner here in Oregon who has not posted here and ask him to consider doing so. We met him at the PuebloSacbe office off of Constituyentes and he is back here now, planning to move there in September.

Thank you very much!!

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Roni, Thanks for starting this thread. And Dave thanks for contributing.

As both of you already know, I am very interested in Pueblo Sacbe as well. I had actually already been doing some research into Pueblo Sacbe before James and Anna had included them on the forum.

It has always been our dream to eventually have a place in Playa or the general area. Keith and I both grew up in the country with very simple down-to-earth values, but somehow over time we've managed to stray from our true North and have found ourselves in a place that is really not suited to our values. So we've been searching for a place that will help set us back on course. The more I learn about Pueblo Sacbe, the more I think it may be the place to help us do just that.

Though I have yet to visit, I find it interesting that Pueblo Sacbe speaks to me the way that it does and I know that there is probably a reason it is calling to me. It was our intention to visit on our last trip, but it did not materialize, perhaps because we weren't ready to take that next step on our journey. We are ready now and will be visiting Pueblo Sacbe on our next trip.

So I hope that in the future, I will be able to contribute more to this thread as our dreams transcend our reality.
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denisea,

Thanks for participating. I think there are many who feel some disconnect between their dreams and their reality. I am closer to mine now than I have been for some time. That has less to do with place than it does with the people I get to hang out with. I am thinking that would be the case at PuebloSacbe as well.

Going off the deep end, there has been tension in my life between seeking for community and personal autonomy. Many communities, it seems, want (on a conscious or not conscious level), some relinquishment of autonomy in return for membership in the community.

That can be fine and can be good for the community. The trick for me then, is to find a community where the autonomy I give up is consistent with my values. Giving up a connection to the electrical grid--works for me as long as there are alternatives that let me reduce my needs and use to a level consistent with off the electrical grid living. Just don't ask me to give up a net connection .

Anyway, thanks for the note. I hope this can reach critical mass and a discussion can continue.

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Roni,

My disconnect is not totally about place, however, I have always had an odd sense of place that speaks to me. Drives Keith nuts. I believe that this sense of place is actually the impact of the culmination of many forces including the energy of the people that reside in that space (be it past, present or future). So the people factor for me plays a critical role as well.

I also long for community, however, not at the expense of my personal autonomy. Any relationship, be it community, family, friendship, requires some sort of relinquishment of autonomy on everyone's part. The key to a successful relationship is striking the proper balance. Something not so easily achieved. But sharing similar values and goals sets a strong foundation for building such a relationship.

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Giving up a connection to the electrical grid--works for me as long as there are alternatives that let me reduce my needs and use to a level consistent with off the electrical grid living. Just don't ask me to give up a net connection .
And I'm not opposed to surfing the net by candlelight or the light of the full moon. 8)
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buying land at pueblo sacbe

You asked about the process of buying land. I won't get into the legal details, but the process was extremely simple. Tom and Joanne at Pueblo Sacbe, had their lawyer draw up the contracts (with a translated version for us). Sent to documents to us in Canada. We signed and returned and on our next visit, they took us to the lawyer's office (actually a notary republic I believe, which in Mexico carries greater weight) and we reviewed all the documentation. I think we paid a small fee to the notary republic who acted as guarantor the the process and the documentation was kosher.

As I understand it, the process then goes into the Mexican land title system and the formulation of the condo association. We'll have full title to the land once the process is completed in a few months. We'll probably put the land under a company name, allowing us the ability to rent and generate income and have easier visa rights for long stays.

It was almost a year ago now and the details are not on the top of my mind, but it was very easy and hassle free. Tom, Joanne and Ted Rhodes basically took care of all the paperwork. We had complete faith in them, especially as Joanne is a member of my friend and co-owner's family.

On the pueblo sacbe website are details about all the legalities of owning land in Mexico.
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electricity, water, telephone, sewage disposal?

Can anyone give me information about the availability of utility services to the building lots?
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