Wow! Ben Stein has an awesome new movie coming out

[gingele]

Originally Posted by UGAplaya

Rissask has taken over the thread. Leave it up to an Athiest....

um, I thought I made a few contributions here as well. then again, I'm not an atheist.

[Daddy B]

The origin isn't in question, evolution is.
Intelligent Design hasn't a scientific leg to stand on - while evolution of the species has a wealth of scientific evidence behind it - it's simply a stratagem to try validating Creationism by beffudling minds and bring back dogma where religion has repeatedly failed when confronted with fact. Divide and rule at any cost.

"Survival of the fittest" has nothing to do with strength, but adaptability: that's what evolution relies on and I can see that almost every day when I dive.

[kirbyfan]

Boy theres a few here that get pretty excited when you mention ID.....

That kind of reaction usually means theres something to it...now i will definatly look into it if some of you get your undies this bunched up over it.

[Juanitosuarus]

Originally Posted by kirbyfan

Boy theres a few here that get pretty excited when you mention ID.....

That kind of reaction usually means theres something to it...now i will definatly look into it if some of you get your undies this bunched up over it.

I think some people are feeling a bit guilty for not going to church regularily

[Juanito]

Originally Posted by Juanitosuarus

I think some people are feeling a bit guilty for not going to church regularily

And people that do go to church don't like being called Nazis.

[gingele]

Originally Posted by Juanito

And people that do go to church don't like being called Nazis.

YIKES. Where did that come from?

[Juanito]

From the links in my previous post:

Originally Posted by The head of the Human Genome Project

My heart goes out to sincere believers who feel threatened by evolution and who feel that they have to maintain their position against it in order to prove their allegiance to God. But if God used this process and gave us the chance to discover it, then it seems anachronistic, to say the least, that we would feel we have to defend him against our own scientific conclusions. God is the author of all truth. You can find him in the laboratory as well as in the cathedral. He's the God of the Bible; he's the God of the genome. He did it all.

Originally Posted by Dr James Kennedy

To put it simply, no Darwin, no Hitler. Hitler tried to speed up evolution, to help it along, and millions suffered and died in unspeakable ways because of it.

[gingele]

Originally Posted by Juanito

From the links in my previous post:

I saw the links. I just am not clear on your point?

[PlayadelSoul]

I think the point of Hitler using Darwinism to the extreme is the same as some atrocities where Christianity or Islam is taken to the extreme. As is usual, the problem lies not in the theory, but in the humans who interpret it.

[Juanito]

Originally Posted by gingele

I saw the links. I just am not clear on your point?

I disagree with Club America de Mexico fans' logic in choosing their favorite team, but I don't call them "Nazis" just because the conclusions to their research did not agree with mine.

[gingele]

Originally Posted by Juanito

I disagree with Club America de Mexico fans' logic in choosing their favorite team, but I don't call them "Nazis" just because the conclusions to their research did not agree with mine.

Who is calling whom Nazis?

[PlayadelSoul]

Originally Posted by Juanito

I disagree with Club America de Mexico fans' logic in choosing their favorite team, but I don't call them "Nazis" just because the conclusions to their research did not agree with mine.

Where did anyone call anyone a Nazi? It was brought up that Hitler used Darwinism as cover for his murderous ways, which is true. Had Darwinism not existed, I am sure he would have found some other angle (perhaps religious) to provide the same cover. That doesn't mean that Darwinism equals naziism, nor that those who believe in evolution are nazis. I am a bit confused how you are drawing that connection, as well.

[gingele]

Originally Posted by PlayadelSoul

Where did anyone call anyone a Nazi? It was brought up that Hitler used Darwinism as cover for his murderous ways, which is true. Had Darwinism not existed, I am sure he would have found some other angle (perhaps religious) to provide the same cover. That doesn't mean that Darwinism equals naziism, nor that those who believe in evolution are nazis. I am a bit confused how you are drawing that connection, as well.

What he said.

[Juanito]

The legacy of Charles Darwin, Dr. Kennedy said, is “millions of deaths, the destruction of those deemed inferior, the devaluing of human life, and increasing hopelessness.”

Maybe I'm drawing too much into this and Dr Kennedy is no longer with us to expand on his statement.

But to me, this implies "If you believe in evolution, you'd better check the schedule at Dachau because you wouldn't want to miss your shift."

[gingele]

Originally Posted by Juanito

Maybe I'm drawing too much into this and Dr Kennedy is no longer with us to expand on his statement.

But to me, this implies "If you believe in evolution, you'd better check the schedule at Dachau because you wouldn't want to miss your shift."

Well actually Ben Stein is saying something akin to what Dr. Kennedy said:

Alas, Darwinism has had a far bloodier life span than Imperialism. Darwinism, perhaps mixed with Imperialism, gave us Social Darwinism, a form of racism so vicious that it countenanced the Holocaust against the Jews and mass murder of many other groups in the name of speeding along the evolutionary process.


I *think* we agree on this point: The fact that Hitler took Darwin's theories to an unnatural and horrific extreme does not mean either that the theory of evolution is wrong (or inherently evil) nor does it mean that those who accept the theory of evolution as being accurate are therefore Nazis.

But it is important to note that I have no doubt the proponents of this argument -such as Stein and Kennedy - are fully aware of it's inflammatory nature and hope that some may be influenced by the very conclusion (albeit erroneous) that if you adhere to evloution you risk being a Nazi or some such BS.