jerk kills a puppy

[TAPPY]

Animal cruelty is something that really gets to me because I have seen it first hand.
This makes me sick, I have no pity for the people who did this. I hope they punish them and they do hard prision time.
I am glad they leaked his name and I hope this crime follows his sorry azz for a long time.

[JillyinMN]

Originally Posted by melliedee

From his myspace page, I gather that he is quite proud of his actions and thinks the whole thing is a joke. An isolated incident/prank brought on by extreme stress might be understandable, not excusable in its cruelty, but understandable at least. This guys has three other videos in the link Joana posted showing the torturing of animals. I feel badly that if this will reflect poorly on the marines. Other soldiers do not deserve to be implicated by the stupid actions of one person.

If this is so, why is he even in the Marines? He is mentally unstable and a danger to the other Marines he is serving with.

[sideways]

Originally Posted by UGAplaya

I've seen the video and yes it's really cruel. But it's also best to keep some perspective. Some people will get more upset about this story about a puppy, than they will the brutal executions of real people over there.

What does one have to do with the other...really?. Two totally seperate things. I think Sue was just talking about the Puppy. The act is Horrific!!!

[InMyCupz]

The only solution is for PETA to petition to bring our troops home.
Most soldiers I know qualify as furry & cuddly creatures.

[Joana]

Originally Posted by JillyinMN

If this is so, why is he even in the Marines? He is mentally unstable and a danger to the other Marines he is serving with.

To clarify: as I said in my post HIS myspace page is set to private by now- and the other is ABOUT him not BY him.
It was made by someone who is upset about this guy and shows up if you search the guys name.

The other three vids are DIFFERENT soldiers- not the puppy thrower.


Jacko- on the one hand I agree when you say that he is a Marine shouldn't play a role in this part because what he did is just HIM being a jerk. On the other (esp. as there are those other vids of soldiers on duty in Iraq doing the same thing, torturing animals) it somehow does have to do with it as

a) there are certain professions that you expect "good" stuff and "right" stuff from, foremost doctors, nurses, policemen etc. (and yes, all of those have had members of their profession screw up before as well!) but soldiers as well. If you read comments on the pages where the video is being shown many are upset and say that as a Marine he should not do such a dishonourable thing............hard to explain, but maybe you get my drift. There are simply groups and professions out there who are claimed to have a special sense of "honour", the Marines being one of them. That is why the vid is even more irritating. On the other hand: Marines are drilled to kill. So why is everyone so surprised a Marine is able to kill a puppy?

b) his profession is also playing a role in this when you read the excuse- he says it had to do with his job and what he sees on duty that he acted this way. And there are others who do the same, on video. Who might have the same excuse. So the question I would ask is: shouldn't people in the army, esp. those doing "front-duty" be trained better to deal with stress? It IS part of their work after all to see gruesome things, shouldn't they be taught to deal with it in a more healthy way than throwing puppies off cliffs? I know that those in Abu Ghraib used the same excuses for what they did...............
And - to take the focus away from the US soldiers- I remember the uproar in Germany when some German soldiers posed with skulls from a mass grave for pictures in Afghanistan. They stated the same thing.
So the question has to be asked: how can you prepare the folks who do this kind of job BETTER for the stress they will face and the things they will see??

[Joana]

Originally Posted by UGAplaya

I've seen the video and yes it's really cruel. But it's also best to keep some perspective. Some people will get more upset about this story about a puppy, than they will the brutal executions of real people over there.

Can't agree with that, sorry. That would be a bit like if I told a patient: "You have desease X- but don't take it too badly, there are other things that are SO much worse- like desease Z."

What is wrong is wrong- and should not be compared with other wrongs to make it seem less wrong.
Same thing when after f.e. Abu Ghraib people pointed out the horrible things that terrorists have done to make it seem less despicable. As in "But they behead our people- so stop whining about a few nude shots."

While I do not agree with the reactions I have seen in some places- folks saying the guy should be killed and whatnot- I neither agree with letting this vid and others slip while shrugging my shoulders and going "Ah well- beheadings are so much worse.".

Both things are wrong- and both should be dealt with as good as possible.

[melliedee]

Originally Posted by Joana

To clarify: as I said in my post HIS myspace page is set to private by now- and the other is ABOUT him not BY him.
It was made by someone who is upset about this guy and shows up if you search the guys name.

The other three vids are DIFFERENT soldiers- not the puppy thrower.

Sorry, that's my misreading. I thought it was his myspace and the other videos were his as well.

I wish I hadn't watched the puppy video.

[sideways]

Originally Posted by melliedee

Sorry, that's my misreading. I thought it was his myspace and the other videos were his as well.

I wish I hadn't watched the puppy video.

I'll take folks words for it...I won't watch cruelty like that.

[Heather]

Originally Posted by sideways

I'll take folks words for it...I won't watch cruelty like that.

Me, either. I was afraid to even open this thread.

[jaybird]

I saw this discussed on another board. Didn't watch the video then and won't now. I think the guy should be hung by his gonads for a while, then kicked there for blaming anything other than himself.

But then again, I don't think any punishment by us is required. I believe in karma, sowing and reaping or whatever else you want to call it. We all get out of life what we put into it.

[UGAplaya]

Originally Posted by Joana

Can't agree with that, sorry. That would be a bit like if I told a patient: "You have desease X- but don't take it too badly, there are other things that are SO much worse- like desease Z."

What is wrong is wrong- and should not be compared with other wrongs to make it seem less wrong.
Same thing when after f.e. Abu Ghraib people pointed out the horrible things that terrorists have done to make it seem less despicable. As in "But they behead our people- so stop whining about a few nude shots."

While I do not agree with the reactions I have seen in some places- folks saying the guy should be killed and whatnot- I neither agree with letting this vid and others slip while shrugging my shoulders and going "Ah well- beheadings are so much worse.".

Both things are wrong- and both should be dealt with as good as possible.

Oh come on now. Are you telling me there's not different levels of wrong? You don't have kids do you? That's why I said earlier that people need a little perspective. It was a DOG, a stray DOG. Yes it was cruel and stupid and everything else and sure he should be punished. But if someone assaulted my dog (yes I have two dogs), I would be ticked. If someone assaulted my kids, it's a whole other level.

[laurab]

Like Joana says, one thing has nothing to do with the other. Of course there are different levels of wrong, I just don't know why you need to compare them. I have kids and still think you're wrong.
And I agree, what goes around comes around.

Originally Posted by UGAplaya

Oh come on now. Are you telling me there's not different levels of wrong? You don't have kids do you? That's why I said earlier that people need a little perspective. It was a DOG, a stray DOG. Yes it was cruel and stupid and everything else and sure he should be punished. But if someone assaulted my dog (yes I have two dogs), I would be ticked. If someone assaulted my kids, it's a whole other level.

[Rissask]

I feel bad about the act, any kind of senseless cruelty to animals makes me really angry.

But mostly I feel sad for him and thousands of other people, who have been permanently emotionally and/or physically effed up and scarred by this and other wars.


The other discussion about how everything is relative...I can your point Joana, but also UGAPlaya's...perspective is important.
I recall another board where there was a discussion between women about miscarriages...one woman said that a woman having a miscarrriage at 4 weeks is just as devastating as a woman losing a baby at nine months; that 'you cannot measure whose pain is greater'...well, that may be a tough call, but I think any reasonable person can make an objective statement that yes, the former is not as great a tragedy as the latter.
So if I were told I had Type 2 diabetes would I be as devastated as if you told me I had Stage 4 cancer? Of course not.

[UGAplaya]

Originally Posted by laurab

Like Joana says, one thing has nothing to do with the other. Of course there are different levels of wrong, I just don't know why you need to compare them. I have kids and still think you're wrong.
And I agree, what goes around comes around.

You're welcome to your opinion. You think I'm wrong, I think I'm right.....so there. :-)~ Honestly, good grief, so he killed a puppy. Do you think this is the first incident like this??? Heck no. The Germans, the British, etc. They all have bad eggs like this in their military. God bless our soldiers, even the ones who don't like dogs. :-)

[jaybird]

"But mostly I feel sad for him and thousands of other people, who have been permanently emotionally and/or physically effed up and scarred by this and other wars."

I agree with that 100% but I'm not willing to let anything or anyone take the blame for one person's actions. I'm a firm believer in personal responsibility and accountability.