Condi, Cheney, etc. approved specific details of torture

[roni]

Go read the whole thing

ABC News: Sources: Top Bush Advisors Approved 'Enhanced Interrogation'

At the time, the Principals Committee included Vice President Cheney, former National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Secretary of State Colin Powell, as well as CIA Director George Tenet and Attorney General John Ashcroft.

As the national security adviser, Rice chaired the meetings, which took place in the White House Situation Room and were typically attended by most of the principals or their deputies.


Then-Attorney General Ashcroft was troubled by the discussions. He agreed with the general policy decision to allow aggressive tactics and had repeatedly advised that they were legal. But he argued that senior White House advisers should not be involved in the grim details of interrogations, sources said. According to a top official, Ashcroft asked aloud after one meeting: "Why are we talking about this in the White House? History will not judge this kindly."

[Daddy B]

Originally Posted by roni

Go read the whole thing

ABC News: Sources: Top Bush Advisors Approved 'Enhanced Interrogation'

At the time, the Principals Committee included Vice President Cheney, former National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Secretary of State Colin Powell, as well as CIA Director George Tenet and Attorney General John Ashcroft.

As the national security adviser, Rice chaired the meetings, which took place in the White House Situation Room and were typically attended by most of the principals or their deputies.


Then-Attorney General Ashcroft was troubled by the discussions. He agreed with the general policy decision to allow aggressive tactics and had repeatedly advised that they were legal. But he argued that senior White House advisers should not be involved in the grim details of interrogations, sources said. According to a top official, Ashcroft asked aloud after one meeting: "Why are we talking about this in the White House? History will not judge this kindly."

Well, it isn't as if they were approving torture or sumfink, is it?!

[Just Lucky]

Reading the details in the article made me want to throw up.

This quote from a Dutch political blog pretty well sums it up

They overstepped their boundaries, they became what they despised. John Ashcroft himself reportedly said that he didn’t want to talk about this subject in the White House. “Why are we talking about this in the White House? History will not judge this kindly,” Ashcroft reportedly told his fellow ‘Principals.’
No, history will not judge this kindly, nor will peoples of other nations do so.

As for me, I think they will eventually meet His judgement. My hope is they will also meet justice on earth.

[MaripositaII]

Enhanced interrogation? Whatever

[beerbreath]

Is this where you give to the terrorist TRUST fund?

[kirbyfan]

I see we have another meeting of the "pantys in a wad" bunch again.

[roni]

Originally Posted by kirbyfan

I see we have another meeting of the "pantys in a wad" bunch again.

Ah, You must be referring to Attorney General Ashcroft's description of the meetings referred to in the news article. His were beyond wadded

[kirbyfan]

Originally Posted by roni

Ah, You must be referring to Attorney General Ashcroft's description of the meetings referred to in the news article. His were beyond wadded

Ashcroft wears pantys?

[TheCouvTraveler]

Originally Posted by kirbyfan

Ashcroft wears pantys?

Depends. Ba-da-bump

I didn't think it possible that I could loathe this adminstration anymore than I already do.... boy was I wrong.

[roni]

Originally Posted by kirbyfan

Ashcroft wears pantys?

Hand me downs from J. Edgar Hoover

[STOGEY]

I wouldn't mind seeing Condi in leather with a whip myself.

[Davev]

Originally Posted by STOGEY

I wouldn't mind seeing Condi in leather with a whip myself.

I'll pass on that, THX

[Just Lucky]

I really couldn't me more disgusted by the revelation that our torture regimen is based upon the torture inflicted on our service members by the Chinese during the Korean war.

WASHINGTON — The military trainers who came to Guantánamo Bay in December 2002 based an entire interrogation class on a chart showing the effects of “coercive management techniques” for possible use on prisoners, including “sleep deprivation,” “prolonged constraint,” and “exposure.”

What the trainers did not say, and may not have known, was that their chart had been copied verbatim from a 1957 Air Force study of Chinese Communist techniques used during the Korean War to obtain confessions, many of them false, from American prisoners.


The recycled chart is the latest and most vivid evidence of the way Communist interrogation methods that the United States long described as torture became the basis for interrogations both by the military at the base at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, and by the Central Intelligence Agency.

Some methods were used against a small number of prisoners at Guantánamo before 2005, when Congress banned the use of coercion by the military. The C.I.A. is still authorized by President Bush to use a number of secret “alternative” interrogation methods.


Several Guantánamo documents, including the chart outlining coercive methods, were made public at a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing June 17 that examined how such tactics came to be employed.
But committee investigators were not aware of the chart’s source in the half-century-old journal article, a connection pointed out to The New York Times by an independent expert on interrogation who spoke on condition of anonymity.

entire article

[JEZ]

Appalling........

[STOGEY]

Hey if it works oh well. I don't feel a bit bad for those that get it.