(POLITICAL) Bush disgracefully demonstrates "Goodwin's Law" today

[StewartG]

In a speech to the Israeli Keenest today, as Israel celebrates its 60th anniversary of statehood, President Bush made the following ridiculous fear mongering attack on Obama:

"Some seem to believe we should negotiate with the terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along," Bush told the Israeli lawmakers. "We have heard this foolish delusion before. As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared: 'Lord, if only I could have talked to Hitler, all of this might have been avoided.' We have an obligation to call this what it is -- the false comfort of appeasement, which has been repeatedly discredited by history."

Hotline On Call: Bush Invokes Nazi Germany To Criticize Policy Of "Appeasement"



This sort of political attack makes me sick. I consider this a pathetic and despicable attempt by a sitting president to use the politics of fear and to use the specter of Nazi atrocities in a groundless attack against Obama.

Moreso, I think this attack clearly reveals the idiocy of this president. How can one POSSIBLY equate dialog with appeasement? Not only was this attack completely groundless and tasteless, it was also supremely stupid. Dialog does not equate to capitulation. There are so many examples of negotiating from strength by presidents of both parties over the past 100 years, I don't know where to begin, but let me point out at least one...

You may recall, it was Kennedy that installed the "red phone" direct connection with Moscow in the white house back in the 60s. Did this "dialog" equate with appeasement? No, of course not. Kennedy said (I'm paraphrasing) that you should never negotiate from a position of fear, but you should never fear to negotiate. I doubt few people would consider Kennedy's dialog with the Soviet Union during the Cuban missile crisis any sort of an "appeasement" at all!

And to play the "Nazi" card just to score some political points? Shame on you, Mr. President. Disgraceful, utterly disgraceful...

[Just Lucky]

Maybe Bush should use some of his rather limited intellectual capability to try and grasp the meaning of this quote:

If you want to make peace, you don't talk to your friends. You talk to your enemies.

-- Moshe Dayan (1915-1981)

[StewartG]

Originally Posted by Just Lucky

Maybe Bush should use some of his rather limited intellectual ability to try and grasp the meaning of this quote:

[Just Lucky]

Here is another bit of wisdom Bush should give some thought to. Too bad he didn't do so earlier. The tragedy which could have been avoided.

A leader who doesn't hesitate before he sends his nation into battle is not fit to be a leader. ~Golda Meir

[jaybird]

But then it's no problem when dems run around the globe dissing America..Right?

[Sue]

Originally Posted by jaybird

But then it's no problem when dems run around the globe dissing America..Right?

[Just Lucky]

Originally Posted by jaybird

But then it's no problem when dems run around the globe dissing America..Right?

I'm unclear as to your meaning. Members of the Democratic Party are Americans.

Or are you suggesting that only people who agree with the current administrations policies are "Americans"?

[melliedee]

Other Dems are denouncing the statement by Bush. Here's Obama's response....

Obama responded in a written statement: "It is sad that President Bush would use a speech to the Knesset on the 60th anniversary of Israel's independence to launch a false political attack. It is time to turn the page on eight years of policies that have strengthened Iran and failed to secure America or our ally Israel. Instead of tough talk and no action, we need to do what Kennedy, Nixon and Reagan did and use all elements of American power -- including tough, principled, and direct diplomacy -- to pressure countries like Iran and Syria. George Bush knows that I have never supported engagement with terrorists, and the President's extraordinary politicization of foreign policy and the politics of fear do nothing to secure the American people or our stalwart ally Israel."

Bush's 'Nazi' swipe at Obama - First Read - msnbc.com

[StewartG]

Originally Posted by melliedee

Other Dems are denouncing the statement by Bush. Here's Obama's response....

Obama responded in a written statement: "It is sad that President Bush would use a speech to the Knesset on the 60th anniversary of Israel's independence to launch a false political attack. It is time to turn the page on eight years of policies that have strengthened Iran and failed to secure America or our ally Israel. Instead of tough talk and no action, we need to do what Kennedy, Nixon and Reagan did and use all elements of American power -- including tough, principled, and direct diplomacy -- to pressure countries like Iran and Syria. George Bush knows that I have never supported engagement with terrorists, and the President's extraordinary politicization of foreign policy and the politics of fear do nothing to secure the American people or our stalwart ally Israel."

Bush's 'Nazi' swipe at Obama - First Read - msnbc.com

Excellent response, President Obama!

[pamplemoose77]

Originally Posted by melliedee

or our stalwart ally Israel."

i skimmed this the first time and read "STEWART" ally


i was really impressed for a few seconds there!

[melliedee]

Originally Posted by pamplemoose77

i skimmed this the first time and read "STEWART" ally


i was really impressed for a few seconds there!

I think Obama already has that endorsement!

[pamplemoose77]

Originally Posted by melliedee

I think Obama already has that endorsement!

yah, i'm still waiting til he mentions me in a speech before i officially endorse him

[Rissask]

From the link, someone commented at the bottom:

Bush has quoted a US Senator from 1939 about talking to Hitler and stopping the war. Guess who it was. It was his grandfather Sen Prescot Bush. Bush has lost his mind. Its disgraceful.

is this correct, was it his grandfather who said that?


I think diplomacy should always be the first thing to try to settle any kind of dispute. But I also think that sometimes it is a losing battle. Some people just won't listen to reason, and never will.

[Just Lucky]

Originally Posted by Rissask

From the link, someone commented at the bottom:





is this correct, was it his grandfather who said that?


I think diplomacy should always be the first thing to try to settle any kind of dispute. But I also think that sometimes it is a losing battle. Some people just won't listen to reason, and never will.

The Bush family did more than talk, they made money off of their association with the Nazis. :

George Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany. The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered files in the US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism.
His business dealings, which continued until his company's assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act, has led more than 60 years later to a civil action for damages being brought in Germany against the Bush family by two former slave labourers at Auschwitz and to a hum of pre-election controversy.
The evidence has also prompted one former US Nazi war crimes prosecutor to argue that the late senator's action should have been grounds for prosecution for giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004....secondworldwa

WASHINGTON - After 60 years of inattention and even denial
by the U.S. media, newly-uncovered government documents in
The National Archives and Library of Congress reveal that
Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President George W. Bush,
served as a business partner of and U.S. banking operative
for the financial architect of the Nazi war machine from 1926
until 1942, when Congress took aggressive action against Bush
and his "enemy national" partners.
The documents also show that Bush and his colleagues, according
to reports from the U.S. Department of the Treasury, tried to
conceal their financial alliance with German industrialist Fritz
Thyssen, a steel and coal baron who, beginning in the mid-1920s,
personally funded Adolf Hitler's rise to power by the subversion
of democratic principle and German law.
Furthermore, the declassified records demonstrate that Bush
and his associates, who included E. Roland Harriman, younger
brother of American icon W. Averell Harriman, and George
Herbert Walker, President Bush's maternal great-grandfather,
continued their dealings with the German industrial tycoon for
nearly a year after the U.S. entered the war.

BUSH-NAZI LINK CONFIRMED -Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President George W.

WASHINGTON — President Bush's grandfather was a director of a bank seized by the federal government because of its ties to a German industrialist who helped bankroll Adolf Hitler's rise to power, government documents show.
Both Harrimans and Bush were partners in the New York investment firm of Brown Brothers, Harriman and Co., which handled the financial transactions of the bank as well as other financial dealings with several other companies linked to Bank voor Handel that were confiscated by the U.S. government during World War II.
Union Banking was seized by the government in October 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act (search).
No charges were brought against Union Banking's American directors. The federal government was too busy trying to fight the war, said Donald Goldstein, a professor of public and international affairs at the University of Pittsburgh.
"We did not have the resources to do these things," Goldstein said.

FOXNews.com - Documents: Bush's Grandfather Directed Bank Tied to Man Who Funded Hitler - Politics | Republican Party | Democratic Party | Political Spectrum

[StewartG]

Yep, I forgot to mention the fact that Prescott Bush (George W. Bush's grandfather, George H.W. Bush's dad) was a well known Nazi appeaser AND sympathizer AND financier. Well, that is, until Prescott's assets were seized under the "Trading with the Enemy" Act!!!

Sick, sick irony!