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Old 03-29-2011   #76621 (permalink)
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Bd-what are you painting?


I have a home maintenance question. (My husband is good at making pickerel rigs, fixing his boat, gutting and skinning deer, vaccuuming, and cooking breakfast -among other things - but he is not the best Mr. Fix-it. So I do most of that.)

I have a steel front/exterior door with an oval glass insert....about 4 years ago I decided to paint it- I used exterior latex (likely was my first mistake ). The other mistake was I chose the wrong colour, it was supposed to be wine but was too purply wine instead of a nice red-purple wine.
Anyway, it was fine for a couple of years then last year some started to peel- since I hated the colour anyway, I picked another colour and went to repaint...well, that was too orangey-red - but it was okay- but now I see it has started to peel AGAIN....what is the matter? I sanded, washed and primed in between??


So now my conunundrum is- do I try to repaint it one more time and this time be more careful to prep and clean properly- and do oil based primer and paint this time?

Or do I just break down and buy an entire new door...I priced them out and I can buy one that will look quite nice with my house for about $430 plus the cost of a new doorknob....


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Bd-what are you painting?


I have a home maintenance question. (My husband is good at making pickerel rigs, fixing his boat, gutting and skinning deer, vaccuuming, and cooking breakfast -among other things - but he is not the best Mr. Fix-it. So I do most of that.)

I have a steel front/exterior door with an oval glass insert....about 4 years ago I decided to paint it- I used exterior latex (likely was my first mistake ). The other mistake was I chose the wrong colour, it was supposed to be wine but was too purply wine instead of a nice red-purple wine.
Anyway, it was fine for a couple of years then last year some started to peel- since I hated the colour anyway, I picked another colour and went to repaint...well, that was too orangey-red - but it was okay- but now I see it has started to peel AGAIN....what is the matter? I sanded, washed and primed in between??


So now my conunundrum is- do I try to repaint it one more time and this time be more careful to prep and clean properly- and do oil based primer and paint this time?

Or do I just break down and buy an entire new door...I priced them out and I can buy one that will look quite nice with my house for about $430 plus the cost of a new doorknob....


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Long story. When we bought our house it had a drop ceiling in the kitchen. I have always hated it so with nothing but time on my hands I decided to rip it down. Well as luck would have it, the ceiling was never finished so I had to finish mud, texture, primer and paint. I also removed the wall paper in the kitchen (hideous). I am finally down to the painting (Yeah).

For your door, If it was me, I would strip the door and use a canned spray primer and then canned spray paint made for outdoors (Krylon etc.). It gives a nice finish and will last longer.
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Old 03-29-2011   #76623 (permalink)
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Hey Riss, I was wondering. Is this the outside of the front door that keeps peeling? If so an it is a south facing window could it be caused from sun exposure and/or heat build up between a storm door and the steel door? Just a thought because that can be brutal on any door. I've seen many with melted plastic frames around windows and trip pieces.

Not sure what you could to to prevent that if that is the case.
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They will tell you metal doors can be painted with latex if you prime. Don't listen to them! Take the door off, strip it and use spray paint. Better yet take it to a paint shop. You will be happier in the end. You are fighting a losing battle now that you have latex on it. Start over. It's the only long term solution. A paint shop can strip and paint it for a couple hundred dollars. Money well spent in time and frustration come next year. I would do myself but probably wouldn't save a ton of money in the end.
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Long story. When we bought our house it had a drop ceiling in the kitchen. I have always hated it so with nothing but time on my hands I decided to rip it down. Well as luck would have it, the ceiling was never finished so I had to finish mud, texture, primer and paint. I also removed the wall paper in the kitchen (hideous). I am finally down to the painting (Yeah).

For your door, If it was me, I would strip the door and use a canned spray primer and then canned spray paint made for outdoors (Krylon etc.). It gives a nice finish and will last longer.
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Depends on what the metal cladding is. Some metals require special primers. Agree with the suggestion to totally strip it and start over.
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Depends on what the metal cladding is. Some metals require special primers. Agree with the suggestion to totally strip it and start over.
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Agreed. Methinks she will not be happy with the overall view though. I hate "undoing" work.
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Agreed. Methinks she will not be happy with the overall view though. I hate "undoing" work.
Yes, Stripping down to metal would be a lot of work and If you don't know how to spray paint you could get run's etc. It would be less painful getting a new door. Being metal the hinge's should line up. Now a wooden door is a cat of a different color! (Hi Karen ). Hinges never line up and you need to put in a new door jamb. Not fun!
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Depends on what the metal cladding is. Some metals require special primers. Agree with the suggestion to totally strip it and start over.
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Yes, Stripping down to metal would be a lot of work and If you don't know how to spray paint you could get run's etc. It would be less painful getting a new door. Being metal the hinge's should line up. Now a wooden door is a cat of a different color! (Hi Karen ). Hinges never line up and you need to put in a new door jamb. Not fun!
I've replaced doors only and it's a pain. The whole jam is worse because all the molding needs to be removed. Bigger pain. Stripping and repainting is also a pain. I would have to vote it in as the lesser of all the pains.

When we remodeled the house I bought an airless sprayer to paint all the new doors and molding. As I gutted and redid each room I put in new doors and molding as well. All the closet doors are the metal bi-fold style. I found a spray paint color that matched the (Toasted Marshmallow ) latex paint all the new doors and molding was painted. Some sanding and stripping and spray painting and they looked good as new. Same with the front door. Latex paint just will not stick to metal or plastic. Too smooth and too much expanding and contracting in the heat and cold.

It's really not that hard. Of course you won't have a front door for the weekend but... On a warm summer Friday take out the hinge pins and lay it on some saw horses. Paint it with citrus stripper on one side overnight and clean per directions. (Some scraping, wiping with paint thinner and light sanding. You're just trying to get back to the original paint not bare metal.) Repeat the other side Saturday morning and clean Saturday evening. Mask off the window (remove hinges and door knob if possible) or mask them off as well. Sunday morning. A LIGHT coat of spray primer then let dry an hour. Then a LIGHT coat of the color every hour until uniform. Wait as long as possible to rehang the door. It can be done in a weekend but you have to stay on schedule. The nice part is there is a bit of down time in between steps for other projects.

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I've replaced doors only and it's a pain. The whole jam is worse because all the molding needs to be removed. Bigger pain. Stripping and repainting is also a pain. I would have to vote it in as the lesser of all the pains.
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