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Old 08-12-2008   #46 (permalink)
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Alledgely, this brutal muder appears related to the arrest of a man known as Z-34 - a top local capo amongst the Zetas, alledgely - by a Municipal Police officer who found sufficient grounds to arrest him along with three cohorts and send him before a judge.

The Zetas are the armed branch of the Gulf Cartel. Trained to special forces level in the latest combat and counter-surveillance techniques with earmarked funds provided by the US towards the "War On Drugs" they soon got better offers and went to work for the enemy, demonstrating how effective they can be in the ongoing struggle with the Gulf Cartel's main rivals, the Sinaloa Cartel (who has recently lost considerable ground in Quintana Roo).

The judge, Alex Ramiro Buenfil Ayala, was apparently so scared for having to deal with Z-34 that he didn't even start preliminary investigatory proceedings against the four men and simply let them go free (as he has known to have done in a few other cases involving powerful, deadly presumed criminals).

The murder of Playa del Carmen's Municipal Police Assistant Director Manuel Jesús López Kantún, "El Tejón" is widely seen has having been perpetrated in retaliation for the early arrest of the presumed drug traffickers.

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So are the road blocks just a show? I mean If they were to catch them and the judges are to afraid to deal with them and are just going to let them go...Whats the point? Are there any judges down there that are willing to die along with their families to actually so something about the problem?
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Like Joana said, drug trafficking is nothing new in Quintana Roo- it's a border state and, as such, will always be a passageway for drugs and contraband coming out of, and going into, Central and South America. An ex-governor of QR is currently in prison for being on the take with narcos. Having said that, drug violence in QR, unlike some other parts or Mexico, is rare. Yucatecos, even the bad guys, are generally a peaceful people, IMHO. But, there are people from all over the interior coming into QR. Hopefully, this was an isolated incident, who knows? Tourism is THE industry in the area and, from what I've heard, even some the narco bosses have an investment in making sure that the tourism industry stays healthy.
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Someone was just talking about this today: that this area used to be a big "ruta" for cocaine (before it was so populated), but that now another narco-route had opened elsewhere. The person said that shipments of cocaine from countries farther south would wash up here, to be collected and moved along northward. I have no knowledge of the veracity of this at all, however.
I have some video of I am guessing military personel coming down the beach while we were in the reserve.....There were three atv's and two men per atv in full uniform and weapons......And they were for sure looking at the shoreline before they got to us then gave us they eye but were actually very friendly and returned the hola and waved as they passed.....
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Like Joana said, drug trafficking is nothing new in Quintana Roo- it's a border state and, as such, will always be a passageway for drugs and contraband coming out of, and going into, Central and South America. An ex-governor of QR is currently in prison for being on the take with narcos. Having said that, drug violence in QR, unlike some other parts or Mexico, is rare. Yucatecos, even the bad guys, are generally a peaceful people, IMHO. But, there are people from all over the interior coming into QR. Hopefully, this was an isolated incident, who knows? Tourism is THE industry in the area and, from what I've heard, even some the narco bosses have an investment in making sure that the tourism industry stays healthy.
Great point...I guess they have to balance the two.......As was said by Mindbender a very stratigic, precise, deliberate hit. I mean 60 bullets in two men......
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Yeah no doubt this was a setup and they were ready. As someone familar with firearms, the pictures show at least 2 AR-15 type magazines on the ground, those magazine hold 30 rounds each. The only reason for them to be on the ground was for a reload, so 60 rounds would be a conservative # (up to 120 w/ 2 shooters) and to put over 60 rounds in a car they wanted to be sure they were dead. The other little circles are spent shell casings, as you can see there are quite a few....

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Heather are the drugs just being ran through Mexico? And I am not just talking about what may be happening in PDC......I mean they are not making the cocaine there right? It is just moving through there coming from further south on it's way into the USA.......
Alot of the cocaine is sold here and liberally used at parties. I know people who consider th availability of good quality inexpensive cocaine to be on their list of reasons to live here.

Legalise it, tax it, and end the criminal activity.
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The loss of a brother/sister Officer is always hard, no matter where it happens in the world. Rest in peace amigo.
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Alot of the cocaine is sold here and liberally used at parties. I know people who consider th availability of good quality inexpensive cocaine to be on their list of reasons to live here.

Legalise it, tax it, and end the criminal activity.
Jez- I disagree about making drugs legal. If cocaine or other drugs are made legal the narcos will turn to other vices to make easy money. They won't get jobs and becomse respectable citizens. They will turn to kidnapping, shakedowns, and things of that nature. They already do these things to an extent, anyway. Losing revenue from drug sales would probably cause them to increase their activity in these other areas of vice, IMHO. Of course, I don't really have a solution, either, besides "don't do drugs"!
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Legalise it, tax it, and end the criminal activity.
I think thats nuts. Of course I look forward to debating it at the Bucket in Nov.
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The widespread opinion in the Mexican press - local and otherwise - is that we are witnessing a turf war for the best spots to sell to foreign visitors.

Quintana Roo has always been a major route for Colombian cocaine, so the serious trouble we've seen lately - and spreading south of Cancun, now - have to do with "retail", and not transport by new routes.

"Los Capos", by Ricardo Ravelo does an excellent job of detailing the organisational changes and the rivalries between the various Mexican drug cartels.

It all started in earnest in Playa del Carmen when the Gulf cartel's henchmen did a roundup of the "traditional", or "independent" dealers who used to buy wholesale in either Puerto Aventuras (lots of boats coming through, impossible to check with the limited resources at the disposal of those Mexican authorities still brave enough to enforce any laws whatsoever) or Cancun.

More on the above here.

Faced with switching sides or being executed by their former cartel bosses, many skipped town but a few were kidnapped and tortured before they could do so.

These days, cocaine is being sold quite openly at places such as Santanera, ******, Classico, etc. by unknown minnows who work hotel kitchens and supermarket checkouts during the day.

These are the same kids who, dressed in designer clothes have taken to mugging lonely women on their way back home from the clubs as easily and callously - it seems, from personal reports I heard from victims - as you buy a packet of cigarettes or ask for a order of al pastor.

Here's my translation of an excerpt from noticaribe.com:

Guillermo Aparicio Lara de 33 años de edad alias “El Willy”, quien se dice el “Z-34” ha sido identificado como el sujeto que acompañado de sus secuaces y provistos con armas de fuego, con amenazas de muerte obligan no nada más a los dueños de los antros de vicio a vender la droga que distribuye su organización criminal, sino también, obligan a los propietarios de establecimientos en la zona turística para que permitan a sus distribuidores de estupefacientes, a comercializarlos entre los visitantes extranjeros afuera de sus negocios.

33 year old Guillermo Aparicio Lara, also known as "El Willy", self-styled "Z-34" has been identified as the individual who, accompanied by his henchmen and carrying firearms has been making death threats to force owners of "dens of iniquity" (My speech marks) into selling the drugs distributed by his criminal organisation, as well as forcing establishment owners located in the tourist area into allowing their distributors to sell to foreign visitors right outside their businesses.

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Reminds me of a documentary I saw on Miami in the 80's. It was a war zone during the reign of Pablo Escobar.

A truly unfortunate series of events for police in Mexico. A very complicated situation to say the least. No easy answer.
a good book to read to understand some of the trafficking that goes on beginning with Pablo is called "Killing Pablo".
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Tourism is THE industry in the area and, from what I've heard, even some the narco bosses have an investment in making sure that the tourism industry stays healthy.
They'd better start getting a grip.
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Very interesting analysis, Daddy B. Scary stuff. I do hope that the turf war will be conducted in a "civilized" way. And I agree, they had better get a grip soon- headlines like this execution are not good for tourism.

Maybe it'sjust coincidence, but when I was in Playa in June the same short, middle-aged man muttered "wanna buy some drugs" to me on two different occasions as I passed him on the street. Maybe I lead a sheltered life, and I don't hang out at party places much, but I don't think I've ever heard someone ask me this in such an overt way. In Tex-Mex border towns, yes, but not in Playa. It was particularly ironic that he would ask me that while I was walking down 5th Ave. with my wife and two kids! Strangely, I saw the same guy I saw talking to a cop about 15 minutes later.
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Thank you Daddy B et al for the insight.

Scary.... (yes I know this happens all over-doesn't negate the seriousness of the situation)
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Very interesting analysis, Daddy B. Scary stuff. I do hope that the turf war will be conducted in a "civilized" way. And I agree, they had better get a grip soon- headlines like this execution are not good for tourism.

Maybe it'sjust coincidence, but when I was in Playa in June the same short, middle-aged man muttered "wanna buy some drugs" to me on two different occasions as I passed him on the street. Maybe I lead a sheltered life, and I don't hang out at party places much, but I don't think I've ever heard someone ask me this in such an overt way. In Tex-Mex border towns, yes, but not in Playa. It was particularly ironic that he would ask me that while I was walking down 5th Ave. with my wife and two kids! Strangely, I saw the same guy I saw talking to a cop about 15 minutes later.
Down 12th Street you get openly asked whether you want to buy drugs as soon as you enter certain nightspots.
It wasn't so until very recently and I just hope that any police retaliation won't escalate into situations where the cartels kill indiscriminately in the hope of getting at better protected targets.
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