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Old 08-13-2008   #61 (permalink)
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This is a VERY different location from what was mentioned in the paper yesterday. I did hear on the radio that it was in the colosio, so the address you have seems more likely.
Manzana 15 is after CTM so its probably around the area Joana mentioned.

my friend who is a police officer in Playa told me about this yesterday..
they were his friends
very sad..
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Very interesting analysis, Daddy B. Scary stuff. I do hope that the turf war will be conducted in a "civilized" way. And I agree, they had better get a grip soon- headlines like this execution are not good for tourism.

Maybe it'sjust coincidence, but when I was in Playa in June the same short, middle-aged man muttered "wanna buy some drugs" to me on two different occasions as I passed him on the street. Maybe I lead a sheltered life, and I don't hang out at party places much, but I don't think I've ever heard someone ask me this in such an overt way. In Tex-Mex border towns, yes, but not in Playa. It was particularly ironic that he would ask me that while I was walking down 5th Ave. with my wife and two kids! Strangely, I saw the same guy I saw talking to a cop about 15 minutes later.
In 1993, my frirst trip to Playa... made friends with two local young men.
No hanky panky, just hanging out and making friends.

One new friend, Johnnie, walked up to a very young male Policia
(AK-47 strapped over shoulder) and bought $20 bucks if pot from him.
Right on the beach. In plain sight.

The whole time I was thinking " HOLY SH*T!! ". I thought the cops were
gonna have an eye out for myself and my best friend
(for whom the pot was for).

Talk about being freaked out !!!
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This is not good. Last Spring when we were in Playa I started noticing people on the beach smoking pot right out in the open. It's starting to remind me of California.
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My heartfelt condolences to the families of the officers just trying to do their job and do the right thing. Not long ago someone posted about being afarid in Playa and I think my remark was that I have never felt afraid in PdC, still don't, but my remark ended w/something like "the scariest thing I had seen in Playa was some OBVIOUS mafioso" and I mean major, no naming names, but this is Way beyond just Mexicans, people....One could say, hey, he is just on vacation, but when you have a figure like this w/3 bodyguards strolling Playa...Strategically, Mexico sits between the continent that is the biggest producer of cocaine and the continent that is the biggest consumer of cocaine. Im guessing Mexicans are being exploited, not that they are all innocent, but I see this as a drug war between Columbian and the U.S.-ruled drug traffickers-and they have a good workforce sitting right in between...

I still believe there is no reason to fear being in Mexico. The chances of your getting hit w/a stray bullet or bearing witness to any of this horsesh*t are far worse in most of America. Here is an article about the strength of the drug cartels in Mexico and the level of involvement By police and other officials:

Mexico Estimates 500,000 Tied to Drug Trade
Brendan Walsh - Bloomberg

"Mexican Defense Secretary Guillermo Galvan said 500,000 people in the country are tied to the illegal drug trade, newspaper El Universal reported.

Mexico has 300,000 growers, 160,000 small-time drug dealers or transporters, and 40,000 in leadership positions within drug gangs, Galvan told lawmakers this week, according to Universal.

Galvan said the drug cartels' finances have been hurt by a crackdown on organized crime instituted by President Felipe Calderon, and that as a result more of them may be turning to kidnapping for ransom to raise funds, the newspaper reported, citing lawmakers who heard Galvan's comments.

The Defense Ministry didn't respond to efforts to seek comment, the newspaper reported."

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...I started noticing people on the beach smoking pot right out in the open...
I'd say you'll see this less than you did in the past.
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I have had narcotics offered to me in Cabo, Cancun, Isla Mujeres, and PDC. I guess if you are a single guy with long hair and are dressed nicely they have no shame. It's not only overt but loud and plainly spoken enough where others can hear the offer. It's very troubling and unwarranted. I hold best wishes for those losing loved ones.
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I have had narcotics offered to me in Cabo, Cancun, Isla Mujeres, and PDC. I guess if you are a single guy with long hair and are dressed nicely they have no shame.
yep, could be the Harley chic wardrobe ........ they used to hammer on me before I cut my hair and I wasn't dressed too nice, I always just bounced the offer back to them
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Back in the 70's in Mexico the army had a much stronger presence in the everyday lives of Mexicans AND tourists. I see it coming around to that again. I do think that when you have forces from the south and north both paying off Traffickers in Mexico AND their Mexican adversaries (police, army, politicians, etc) that what is created is what we are seeing- Internal Chaos and Disorder and and struggle to gain power locally. Of course, as orchestrated, this keeps the heat off the main sources sitting like fat cats down in S. America and the U.S.

Time for Mexico to stand up to these aholes and stop letting them exploit their poorest and richest citizens...and their wonderful country.

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I have had narcotics offered to me in Cabo, Cancun, Isla Mujeres, and PDC. I guess if you are a single guy with long hair and are dressed nicely they have no shame. It's not only overt but loud and plainly spoken enough where others can hear the offer. It's very troubling and unwarranted. I hold best wishes for those losing loved ones.
Keep in mind that it isn't just Mexico where you are offered drugs. It's pretty common all over the Caribbean. My husband was offered coke and weed everywhere we went in Nassau and Paradise Island. It was constant! This included the guys on the booze cruise, the guys renting jet skis, guys in the market, guys near the grocery store, guys just walking down the beach. It was insane! My sisters were frequently offered drugs in Jamaica during their trip. I was offered drugs in Barbados more than once (and I was only 14). My friends have been offered drugs in Aruba, St. Lucia, and a few other islands. This is not a rare occurance or limited to Mexico.
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yep, could be the Harley chic wardrobe ........ they used to hammer on me before I cut my hair and I wasn't dressed too nice, I always just bounced the offer back to them
Just please tell me you have never used the term....Stickey Wickey or Scoobie Doobie.......This trip down there they went back to saying pot.....Ahhh the good old day's.......
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Keep in mind that it isn't just Mexico where you are offered drugs.
If you have a snowboard & dyed hair, there's places in Park City where you will be offered Wacky Tabacky.

No one in Playa or Cozumel ever asked if I wanted to buy drugs. But a taxi driver did ask if I wanted to go to a nude beach.

If anyone actually saw me nude, that person would need to take lots of drugs to cope with the trauma. I sense a plot here.

Prohibition worked so well the first time, it's good to see that it's working just as well now.
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We were on a fishing charter in Cabo 12 miles out. I reeled in a 100lb tuna and the 1st mate ask me if I needed any coke. I mean jeez! My heart is beating out of my chest already. I can't get anymore jacked. And he wants to break out the lines when all I'm wanting to do is lay back and relax after a 40 minute workout.
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Manzana 15 is after CTM so its probably around the area Joana mentioned.

my friend who is a police officer in Playa told me about this yesterday..
they were his friends
very sad..
The officers who provide security where I live are from the Policia Municipal.

I've talked with them at length about this execution and what came across was a mixture of deep sadness, humiliation, impotence and fear.
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Just please tell me you have never used the term....Stickey Wickey or Scoobie Doobie.......This trip down there they went back to saying pot.....Ahhh the good old day's.......
it's mota to me
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Awful event, feel terrible for the families:

I don't know how much press this has received outside of Q.Roo and greater Mexico---not much in the US papers if anything at all---I saw an ADF article where it was mentioned among all the other murders---but it certainly isn't getting the press that the Canadian couple's murder received several years back---a lot of people I talked to in Playa don't know anything about it----still it could be one of those stories that comes back in a month to hit US/Canadian newstands----not good either way.
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