What's Next for Sarah Palin?

[RonH]

Originally Posted by beam-eye

Female attributes? Dressed inappropriately? Burlap sack? Deserves? Distracted? Evidence? Bimbo? Limbo? Jolted awake by your comments, I re-read my post to make sure that I hadn't missed something, somehow, somewhere (I did leave off the "d" at the end of "need" in the final sentence, but you were kind enough not to mention it). Overall, the post says what I wanted it to say (res ipsa, and all that). Rush Limbo? We're polar opposites, actually. His malicious and tacky dingbat comments about contraceptives and those who use them (what a jerk he is) are especially mean-spirited and irksome. In my book, Limbo and Bimbo are birds of a feather, flocked together.

Is simpy Sarah all bad? Nope. I Googled her bio, just to make sure, and found a scattering of good things there, but overall she's relied more on form (her looks) than substance (her brains), and apparently sees nothing wrong with riding her high cheek bones into the rare air of presidential politics (like any handsome politico). But, like Dan Quayle, she flunked her own "potatoe" reality test (theories abound, but did anybody ever finally discover how Quayle got that VP nomination? State secret, no doubt). It's good that women are in the political mix, but Sarah Palin is no Margaret Thatcher, or Golda Meire (sp?), and attempts to "compensate" by making rough-edged remarks in order to sound "tough" on issues she doesn't even begin to understand, ever unaware that there needs to be some substance behind the comment. She's also no political pioneer like Geraldine Ferraro (it's a shame Ferraro has to share the "women nominated" historical honors with Sarah Palin). Pretty/petty Sarah is just not leadership-caliber material.

Well.. that pretty much sums it up when it comes to SP. Its amazing that somehow she is still relavant in American Politics. This past weekend she gave her endorsement to Richard Moordock whom is running against Senator Lugar here in Indiana. Lugar is probably the most moderate of moderates right or left. Always worked with the Dems. Moordock has made it very clear he will not work with the Democrats on anything. I just wish the people who voted for BHO in 08 would come out and support Lugar next tuesday. But they won't. To freaking lazy.

[melliedee]

Originally Posted by beam-eye

Female attributes? Dressed inappropriately? Burlap sack? Deserves? Distracted? Evidence? Bimbo? Limbo? Jolted awake by your comments, I re-read my post to make sure that I hadn't missed something, somehow, somewhere (I did leave off the "d" at the end of "need" in the final sentence, but you were kind enough not to mention it). Overall, the post says what I wanted it to say (res ipsa, and all that). Rush Limbo? We're polar opposites, actually. His malicious and tacky dingbat comments about contraceptives and those who use them (what a jerk he is) are especially mean-spirited and irksome. In my book, Limbo and Bimbo are birds of a feather, flocked together.

Is simpy Sarah all bad? Nope. I Googled her bio, just to make sure, and found a scattering of good things there, but overall she's relied more on form (her looks) than substance (her brains), and apparently sees nothing wrong with riding her high cheek bones into the rare air of presidential politics (like any handsome politico). But, like Dan Quayle, she flunked her own "potatoe" reality test (theories abound, but did anybody ever finally discover how Quayle got that VP nomination? State secret, no doubt). It's good that women are in the political mix, but Sarah Palin is no Margaret Thatcher, or Golda Meire (sp?), and attempts to "compensate" by making rough-edged remarks in order to sound "tough" on issues she doesn't even begin to understand, ever unaware that there needs to be some substance behind the comment. She's also no political pioneer like Geraldine Ferraro (it's a shame Ferraro has to share the "women nominated" historical honors with Sarah Palin). Pretty/petty Sarah is just not leadership-caliber material.

Yes, that's why I compared them to your "bimbo" comment. It's the last resort of the unoriginal (or attention seeking, or just good old fashioned sexist) to throw monikers like slut and bimbo at women whom they happen to disagree with politically or otherwise. Sandra Fluke is not a slut, and Sarah Palin, no matter how vehemently you or I may disagree with her politics, is not a bimbo.

Maybe you do need to go back and read your comment, because I was specifically referencing your response to her reaction to the the secret service agent's inappropriate facebook posting. He was in the wrong. You don't have to think Palin is comparable to Thatcher or Ferraro to cede that she deserves the same seriousness and professionalism with regard to her personal safety (and that of her family) from the very office charged with providing that safety. Again, you brought up her "female attributes," as if this agent was unable, biologically, to respond any differently. What an insult to compare these outlier actions to the whole group, and to men in general. What a creepily old fashioned and illogical notion that a woman's "female attributes" are to blame for some one else's mistake or wrongful behavior.

[gingele]

Originally Posted by beam-eye

"This agent who was kind of ridiculous there in posting pictures and comments about checking someone out," Palin said on Fox News. "Check this out, bodyguard. You're fired! And I hope his wife sends him to the doghouse."

Palin's particularly graceless (and ungracious) comment regarding the very public and ridiculous Facebook faux pas by the Secret Service protective agent charged with protecting her life with his is distressingly (or is it reassuringly?) typical of her pundit-pandering "wit".

Sir, you have a significant disconnect here.

First, the secret service agent's Facebook post/comment was not a mere "faux pas." It was a sexist, puerile, unprofessional and completely inappropriate comment given the fact that the photo was depicting him actually in the process of undertaking his role of "charged with protecting her life," as compared to the comment being made in reference to a personal photo of him admittedly ogling some woman in a random, non-job related context - which could have just made such a comment sexist and puerile.

Second, I find it telling that while you completely discount the secret service agent's comment as nothing more than a mere "faux pas," you turn your much more rigorous critique to the response of the woman being objectified, who in this case is Sarah Palin. Her response is "graceless and ungracious" to the flagrant unprofessionalism of a man - as you said - who was charged with protecting her life? I'm not fan of Governor Palin's (as anyone here I think can tell you), but frankly I'm surprised and begrudgingly impressed at the restraint and humor she displayed in her retort.

Originally Posted by beam-eye

If memory serves, by placing her female (I almost wrote "feminine", but thought better of it) attributes on display on the road to "Miss Alaska", she voluntarily opened herself to public scrutiny from that point on, making her a "public 'figure'", and likewise making her feigned indignant surprise over being "checked out" as transparently false as it is empty (a profile photo taken at line-of-sight see-through ear level would be diagnostic).

Your attempt at rationalizing (defending?) this agent's unprofessionalism completely fails here. Setting aside the initial flaw in your argument that since Palin participated in a Miss Alaska beauty pageant, she has somehow permanently and irrevocably opened herself up to frat-boy level commentary regarding her looks, your conclusion that this agent was therefore excused in his inappropriate comment STILL fails. This agent wasn't acting in the capacity of the "general public" when the photo was taken, he was a paid member of the secret service team assigned - again in your own words - to protect Palin's life. So even if one bought into your original argument here, that still doesn't excuse this agent's comments.

Originally Posted by beam-eye

A more thoughtful comment on her part might have been "I'm saddened to hear about the events regarding this fine agent...etc.", which is what discretion, diplomacy and "politically correct" mean in both a political and practical sense. (By "checking her out", the agent may, understandably, have been re-evaluating whether he really and truly wanted to throw himself under the bus to protect this dumb-as-a-stump air-headed bimbo, or whether he should be out looking for a new job, a decision he now no longer needs to consider. So, testestorone wins again, as it is biologically programmed to do on a species, but not individual, level, which is both the beauty and the curse of our biology.)

All of this Soap Opera aside (although it is the Sarah Palin thread), the real issue is not the pretty-petty Palin, but whether the security of the government of the United States of America could be compromised by bringing a prostitute into the living quarters of the members of the Secret Service protective detail (whose members know the President's every move, both figuratively and literally) - and the answer, if you recall Sampson and Delilah, Mata Hari, Clayton Lonetree, and the thousands of other historical and allegorical figures who make life (and history) interesting, is an obvious and resounding "Yes", followed by an equally obvious and resounding "duh" (if "duh" resounds - sounds more like a "thud", actually). Where's Clint Eastwood when we nee him? He'd sort her (Palin) out in a New York minute, although it would take the whole two hours on film, so you'd get your money's-worth.

[beam-eye]

With apologies to Stieg Larsson, the hornets' nest appears to have been well and truly dislodged. But, contrary to your interpretations of my posts (and at the risk of mixing metaphors), I don't have a dog in your fight. I stand by my posts - Sarah Palin shows all the earmarks of being a bimbo, and a particularly graceless and ungracious one at that - and to clarify for gender-defenders everywhere, I don't subscribe to the premise that "bimbo" is gender-specific ("bimbo", "bimba"), as my equal-opportunity appraisals of the Secret Service agent's faux pas, Dan Quayle's political accumen, and Rush Limbo's jerk quotient signify.

[melliedee]

Originally Posted by beam-eye

With apologies to Stieg Larsson, the hornets' nest appears to have been well and truly dislodged. But, contrary to your interpretations of my posts (and at the risk of mixing metaphors), I don't have a dog in your fight. I stand by my posts - Sarah Palin shows all the earmarks of being a bimbo, and a particularly graceless and ungracious one at that - and to clarify for gender-defenders everywhere, I don't subscribe to the premise that "bimbo" is gender-specific ("bimbo", "bimba"), as my equal-opportunity appraisals of the Secret Service agent's faux pas, Dan Quayle's political accumen, and Rush Limbo's jerk quotient signify.

Then don't be surprised to find yourself in the company of Rush Limbaugh.

It occurs to me that I don't know you at all, so perhaps English is not your first language? Bimbo, in the U.S., connotes both sexual promiscuity and lack of intelligence. Though it began as term applied to men, in the last century it applies almost exclusively to women. Though, I do recall in the early 90s the term "himbo" being briefly popular to reference a "male bimbo". You "don't subscribe" to the notion that it is gender specific, but that's the beauty of communication: the speaker implies, the listener infers.

On all of this I might have given you the benefit of the doubt because, admittedly, bimbo does not have the sting of slut. However, your original post mentioned her "female attributes" being on display, which left me confused (especially since I had posted the photo that prompted this story; your meaning is still unclear to me). Regardless, I'm not sure why the left steps in it so much with Palin. There are far more substantial issues to criticize, I cringe for my brethren when they don't realize they're wielding the same brand of sexism they usually denounce passionately (but only for those, I guess, who deserve by virtue of their politics not to be called sluts and bimbos?). Virtue---heh, heh.

But, whatever.

[melliedee]

[snappysammy]

Bimbo, in the U.S., connotes both sexual promiscuity and ...



oh really??
never thought this b4

vacuity is the word that i think of

[Luv2Dance]

Bimbob:

"Male equivalent of bimbo; i.e., a very good-looking, charming, or otherwise attractive young man - not valued for his intellectual prowess."

[melliedee]

Originally Posted by snappysammy

Bimbo, in the U.S., connotes both sexual promiscuity and ...



oh really??
never thought this b4

vacuity is the word that i think of

Yes, it is both. Note the shift in usage from male to female:

OED:

A fellow, chap; usu. contemptuous.

1919 Amer. Mag. Nov. 69/1 Nothing but the most heroic measures will save the poor bimbo.
1924 P. G. Wodehouse Bill the Conqueror xx. 285 The bimbo Pyke arrived.
1936 R. Chandler Killer in Rain (1964) 53 There's a thousand berries on that bimbo. A bank stick-up, ain't he?
1947 P. G. Wodehouse Full Moon v. 90 Bimbos who went about the place making passes at innocent girls after discarding their wives.

A woman; esp. a whore.

1929 Amer. Speech 4 338 Bimbo, a woman.
1937 Detective Fiction Weekly 3 Apr. 20/2 We found Durken and Frenchy LaSeur, seated at a table‥with a pair of blonde bimboes beside them.
1953 S. Kauffmann Philanderer xii. 194 Not that you were just a bimbo to me.‥ I've discovered that I'm a little in love with you, too.

derogatory. A young woman considered to be sexually attractive but of limited intelligence. (Now the usual sense.)
1927 Vanity Fair (N.Y.) Nov. 67/2 Among some of Conway's more famous expressions are: ‘Bimbo’ (for a dumb girl); [etc.].
1976 ‘W. Allen’ Without Feathers 33 Sure, a guy can meet all the bimbos he wants. But the really brainy women—they're not so easy to find.
1988 Stage 4 Aug. 17/5 The empty-headed hair-twisting bimbos who describe themselves as ‘singer, actress, and model’.
2002 Empire Dec. 156/4 The Mangler 2‥gets points for the most gratuitous jiggle of the year as bimbo prefect Daniella Evangelista flees the killer dressed fetchingly in a Hawaiian luau outfit.

Just to confuse the situation:

[Rissask]

Originally Posted by Luv2Dance

Bimbob:

"Male equivalent of bimbo; i.e., a very good-looking, charming, or otherwise attractive young man - not valued for his intellectual prowess."

Well, the above pretty much describes Sarah Palin, yup (although female version in her case).

A 'bimbo' to me implies a vacuous, ditzy woman, not too intelligent, sorta fake and perky, flirty in a sleazy manner, usually blonde and large-bosomed and clothes are trashy. So I guess I have been defining it incorrectly.

I would not call Palin a 'bimbo' by ANY means based on MY definition, but she sure fits the above definition Erica posted.

[snappysammy]

Originally Posted by melliedee

Yes, it is both. Note the shift in usage from male to female:

OED:

well, i would call those references archaic
in society i don't think "bimbo" implies promiscuity

ni modo

[melliedee]

Originally Posted by snappysammy

well, i would call those references archaic
in society i don't think "bimbo" implies promiscuity

ni modo

Well, that's the nice thing about the Oxford English Dictionary. Their examples of usage show the year so that you can see the shift in meaning.

My definition, as I understand the usage in this country, matches much of what Maggie already described: a ditz, what my grandpa would call a "floozy," usually dresses provocatively, low intelligence, questionable morals (often exploiting their sexuality for advancement/monetary gain), either is or deliberately affects the perception of being none too bright.

[beam-eye]

CERNOBBIO, Italy (September 8, 2012)(AP) — U.S. Sen. John McCain says he is disappointed with his party's presidential candidate for sidestepping world affairs in his campaign for the White House but reserves his most scathing words for the current dweller, blaming Barack Obama for inaction while the situation in Syria and elsewhere "cries out for American leadership."
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McCain said the ratings for his 2008 convention were far higher than Romney's — crediting his controversial nominee for vice president, former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin. "She energized our party, and the nation," he said. "And the liberal left began a vendetta against her which is still the most disgraceful and despicable thing I've ever seen in American politics. No matter what she said they were going to try to destroy her with it."
But could it be that Palin's seeming lack of fluency in economic affairs tipped the election by frightening voters who at that precise moment were coming to terms with the terrifying dimensions of the Great Recession, creating a political market for expertise?
McCain bristled at the very proposition.
"I know of no campaign in history that hinged on who the vice presidential candidate was, so if your theory is correct it is a major breakthrough in the history of politics," he said.
Then he added, with what seemed like either sarcasm or resignation: "But it may be true."



Yep, 'fraid so. I like you John McCain, you're a hellova good man and a real Ameican hero (and I like Barak Obumba, too - anybody who can throw down the press podium, kick down the door to the press room, and openly brew and drink his own beer while Baptists openly roam the streets is my kind of man).

But (to thoroughly mix metaphors) John McCain sure got blindsided by the weighty albatross of Sarah Palin - maybe the superannuated Ken and Barbie nominees can rehabilitate Simpy Sarah as their pick for Secretary of State - now that would make GW Bush's knowledge of geopolitical events look...well, almost knowledgeable by comparison (Kosavarians, huh?). Stay tuned - surely there's more to come.

[TAPPY]

Sarah who ?

[JEZ]

Originally Posted by melliedee

Sarah Palin, no matter how vehemently you or I may disagree with her politics, is not a bimbo.
.

Depends on your definition.

bim·bo
   [bim-boh]
noun, plural bim·bos, bim·boes. Slang .
1.
a foolish, stupid, or inept person.

Mz. Pallin certainly qualifies on two accounts, and arguably because of that qualifies on the third.., In my opinion of course!