Presidential Campaign: 2012

[Robinhood]

Originally Posted by ryberg

Try reading the well known analysis of McCain campaign economics advisor Mark Zandi, about how stimulus spending (you know, what you Republicans so often complain about as useless) helped the country avert a second Great Depression.

Try recognizing the Obama administration's actions in saving Detroit and all those jobs.

As I say, try reading a news source, you know.

Or again, try focusing on the question, which more logically requires you to explain how a president has much control over gas prices.

The government saiz:

Inflation is at 3%

unemployment is at 8.3%

The economy is growing

reminds me of a quote from the Nazi propaganda king

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” Or Ryberg for that matter

[jeffandbecky]

Originally Posted by ryberg

Thought you might come up with more than pure deflection, you seemed so convinced by that report you posted.

Then again, I also thought you might just post nothing, as it seemed indeed so biased and sloppy...

The CBO's numbers on Obamacare are all over the board. If you look at the estimates of the number of people losing employer provided insurance it ranges from 20m losing to 3m gaining. That's one hell of a spread.

What is true is that the estimated cost of Obamacare by the current CBO estimate is roughly double the 2010 estimate. Apples to apples, no, do I care, no. That's the way the game is played.

BTW, not nearly the whopper Obama said about our oil reserves. 2% my ass, we have enough oil in the ground to last for 200 years at current consumption levels without importing a drop. As a side note, you can buy a gallon of regular for $3.39 in the Austin MSA.

[jeffandbecky]

Last figure I heard was inflation at 8.1%. Unemployment numbers vary from 8.3% to north of 16% depending on the definition.

[STOGEY]

Anyone ever watch that show on the Food Network " ? Where that restauranter goes in and tried to save a restaurant? That's about to go under.

Well we're always given a tour of the kitchens of these places. The kitchens are usually in.very bad shape. The health and safety violations arr serious. The conditions of these kitchens must have bern going on for years.

Where have the govt health inspectors been? The ones that mak big govt salaries. Wherr are they?

[D33RHUNT3R]

Voter Fraud ... No way ..



Registering Tim Tebow and Tom Brady to Vote in Minnesota - YouTube


Its becoming very apparent that our vote is a complete fraud and the Liberals want to keep it that way... it is unbelievable a person can vote democrat and then claim to love
America..its BS IMO ..They will fraud us with a illegit President and vote.. They dont care as long as they get what they want ... by hook or by crook...The ends justify the means in there minds..

[STOGEY]

A US Soldier goes on a killing spree. The President of Afghanistan suspends peace talks and wants the US to speed up the withdrawal of combat troops.

When a Taliban terrorist kills 50 people at a funeral. The President of Afghanistan wa ts to intensify peace talks.

I guess it's not the killing. It's who does the killing that makes the difference.

[Mikey]

Originally Posted by STOGEY

A US Soldier goes on a killing spree. The President of Afghanistan suspends peace talks and wants the US to speed up the withdrawal of combat troops.

When a Taliban terrorist kills 50 people at a funeral. The President of Afghanistan wa ts to intensify peace talks.

I guess it's not the killing. It's who does the killing that makes the difference.

Well put.

[gingele]

Originally Posted by D33RHUNT3R

Voter Fraud ... No way ..



Registering Tim Tebow and Tom Brady to Vote in Minnesota - YouTube


Its becoming very apparent that our vote is a complete fraud and the Liberals want to keep it that way... it is unbelievable a person can vote democrat and then claim to love
America..its BS IMO ..They will fraud us with a illegit President and vote.. They dont care as long as they get what they want ... by hook or by crook...The ends justify the means in there minds..

O'Keefe again? Really? One would think that by now folks would be embarrassed to post anything produced by this guy, as he is inevitably shown to be full of sh*t.

To wit: O'Keefe here makes a big show about filling in MN voter registration forms and checking a box that states the applicant (O'Keefe) does not have any photo ID or social security number. Obviously O'Keefe wants you to believe that anyone can simply fill in the form, mail it in, and viola! that person is now registered to vote and, in fact, can vote without ever proving that he is who he claims to be.

Do I have that right?

What O'Keefe does NOT tell you, oh so gullible viewer, is that Minnesota Voting Laws already in place require that for such applications (done by a third party or those submitted without any identification), the county auditor will notify the applicant that the registration is incomplete and in order to complete the registration, the applicant will have to (guess what?!) complete the registration using the same requirements as the same-day registration rules:

Subd. 3. Election day registration. (a) An individual who is eligible to vote may register on election day by appearing in person at the polling place for the precinct in which the individual maintains residence, by completing a registration application, making an oath in the form prescribed by the secretary of state and providing proof of residence. An individual may prove residence for purposes of registering by:
(1) presenting a driver's license or Minnesota identification card issued pursuant to section 171.07;
(2) presenting any document approved by the secretary of state as proper identification;
(3) presenting one of the following:
(i) a current valid student identification card from a postsecondary educational institution in Minnesota, if a list of students from that institution has been prepared under section 135A.17 and certified to the county auditor in the manner provided in rules of the secretary of state; or
(ii) a current student fee statement that contains the student's valid address in the precinct together with a picture identification card; or
(4) having a voter who is registered to vote in the precinct, or who is an employee employed by and working in a residential facility in the precinct and vouching for a resident in the facility, sign an oath in the presence of the election judge vouching that the voter or employee personally knows that the individual is a resident of the precinct. A voter who has been vouched for on election day may not sign a proof of residence oath vouching for any other individual on that election day. A voter who is registered to vote in the precinct may sign up to 15 proof of residence oaths on any election day. This limitation does not apply to an employee of a residential facility described in this clause. The secretary of state shall provide a form for election judges to use in recording the number of individuals for whom a voter signs proof of residence oaths on election day. The form must include space for the maximum number of individuals for whom a voter may sign proof of residence oaths. For each proof of residence oath, the form must include a statement that the voter is registered to vote in the precinct, personally knows that the individual is a resident of the precinct, and is making the statement on oath. The form must include a space for the voter's printed name, signature, telephone number, and address.

So O'Keefe a/k/a "Timothy Tebow" would, in fact, have to prove he is who he claims to be prior to voting in Minnesota if he processed that registration application he so proudly just completed in someone else's name.

[ryberg]

Originally Posted by jeffandbecky

The CBO's numbers on Obamacare are all over the board. If you look at the estimates of the number of people losing employer provided insurance it ranges from 20m losing to 3m gaining. That's one hell of a spread.

What is true is that the estimated cost of Obamacare by the current CBO estimate is roughly double the 2010 estimate. Apples to apples, no, do I care, no. That's the way the game is played...

So by your own admission, CBO's numbers are "all over the place", yet you immediately turn around and insist that one misinterpreted number is key. This by the way being the same number you yourself previously said must really be much higher. Because of course you find all of this politically expedient, given your views.

The one thing that appears true is that you are indeed playing a misinformation game and don't care about accuracy or validity in doing so. If you disagree, then why don't you return to the actual numbers I posted for you from the actual report and stop the game playing you have just acknowledged?

OTOH, if you want to continue the misinformation game for political purposes, have at it on your own.

[STOGEY]

To join the military. One must have two valid types of identification, drivers license, birth certificate. If a birth certificate was lost. You can get a copy from the town hall with a certified letter with state seal. Certifying that the copy is authentic.

If that requirement can not be met. You can't even supposedly get a passport. Join the military. So President O has not been able to supply either one of those requirements. To certify his birth certificate. Therefore he shouldn't even be allowed a passport.

I would grant him a one way exit though to his national origin of birth.

[horizon200]

Originally Posted by STOGEY

To join the military. One must have two valid types of identification, drivers license, birth certificate. If a birth certificate was lost. You can get a copy from the town hall with a certified letter with state seal. Certifying that the copy is authentic.

If that requirement can not be met. You can't even supposedly get a passport. Join the military. So President O has not been able to supply either one of those requirements. To certify his birth certificate. Therefore he shouldn't even be allowed a passport.

I would grant him a one way exit though to his national origin of birth.

Hawaii??

[STOGEY]

Originally Posted by horizon200

Hawaii??

Yes you're right. Lol

[ryberg]

Originally Posted by horizon200

Hawaii??

Stogey just missed Dan Quayle's famous declaration that

Hawaii ... is in the Pacific. It is a part of the United States that is an island that is right here.

[equinenut]

Originally Posted by gingele

O'Keefe again? Really? One would think that by now folks would be embarrassed to post anything produced by this guy, as he is inevitably shown to be full of sh*t.




So O'Keefe a/k/a "Timothy Tebow" would, in fact, have to prove he is who he claims to be prior to voting in Minnesota if he processed that registration application he so proudly just completed in someone else's name.

But Amy, half the story is just so much more compelling

[ryberg]

Originally Posted by equinenut

But Amy, half the story is just so much more compelling

Seems to be a trend around here lately with other points, as well:

Focus on the gross cost increase, but leave out the even greater savings increases and that result in a real net cost reduction.

Bemoan the loss of federal Medicaid subsidies to a state, but leave out the acts of the state legislature that really caused that loss.