Presidential Campaign: 2012

[Mercy]

Originally Posted by horizon200

That's what scares me..I don't think it IS "so friggin unlikely"!

By the by, I just watched a 6 part PBS series on Auschwitz. The whole time I was watching it, I was thinking that the german people, especially those that took part in this atrocity were so easily swayed by fundamentalists. I would LOVE to think it can't happen here in this day and age. But, when I listen to what Santorum says and the fact that he has a significant group of followers, I'm just not so sure. Maybe not to the degree of the Holocaust...but, when I hear anyone suggest that one religion is lesser than another or that the country has a religion it is founded on...I get concerned.

Originally Posted by Jacko

Yep, we should all be concerned....

Concerned for what??!!

[ryberg]

How about it, Obamanomics critics (many of whom are probably also Reagan admirers and perhaps also Bush defenders)? What do you say?

Or even if you prefer the softer view just put forth by one of our few resident moderates (no drinker of magic kool-aid or otherwise big fan of Obama, he!):

Originally Posted by horizon200

When you average Reagan's spending to 7.7% over the term, none of the three [= Reagan, Bush the son and Obama] are that far apart.

Is it time?

[bearcat]

[quote=ryberg;1880102]How about it, Obamanomics critics (many of whom are probably also Reagan admirers and perhaps also Bush defenders)? What do you say?

Or even if you prefer the softer view just put forth by one of our few resident moderates (no drinker of magic kool-aid or otherwise big fan of Obama, he!):

Is it time?[/quote]

Is it time for what?

I always thought that these type of charts that measure government spending, and tie that spending back to the President, are misleading at best for both parties. They don't take into account which party controls the Congress. They are the ones that really control most of the spending, with only a few minor exceptions.

[snappysammy]

Originally Posted by horizon200

That's what scares me..I don't think it IS "so friggin unlikely"!

By the by, I just watched a 6 part PBS series on Auschwitz. The whole time I was watching it, I was thinking that the german people, especially those that took part in this atrocity were so easily swayed by fundamentalists. I would LOVE to think it can't happen here in this day and age. But, when I listen to what Santorum says and the fact that he has a significant group of followers, I'm just not so sure. Maybe not to the degree of the Holocaust...but, when I hear anyone suggest that one religion is lesser than another or that the country has a religion it is founded on...I get concerned.

wow, i am certain you are more in touch with americans than i am, as i don't live there
so if you say santorum actually has a chance, now yer scarin' the bejeezus out of me

[ryberg]

Originally Posted by bearcat

Is it time for what?

I always thought that these type of charts that measure government spending, and tie that spending back to the President, are misleading at best for both parties. They don't take into account which party controls the Congress. They are the ones that really control most of the spending, with only a few minor exceptions.

Is it time for popcorn. (Is it time?) Meaning I'm guessing it may be time to sit back and find something else entertaining because it may be a bloody long wait before those critics come very near to acknowledging this info, much less accepting it.

But how could it be bad for President Obama and Democrats in general? The very widespread impression of them is much more negative on this aspect of things than that all shows.

[D33RHUNT3R]

This woman obviously took math lessons from Obama...

Watch this woman fail to solve world's easiest math problem - msnNOW

[bearcat]

Originally Posted by ryberg

Is it time for popcorn. (Is it time?) Meaning I'm guessing it may be time to sit back and find something else entertaining because it may be a bloody long wait before those critics come very near to acknowledging this info, much less accepting it.

But how could it be bad for President Obama and Democrats in general? The very widespread impression of them is much more negative on this aspect of things than that all shows.

Do you mean the chart you posted? I don't think it would be bad or good, in my opinion it is irrelevant since it does not really tell the whole story since it does not take into consideration which party controls Congress while the President is in power. A Republican President with a Democrat controlled Congress may not be able to pass their priorities and be forced into higher spending. Conversely, a Democratic President with a Republican controlled Congress will also not be able to meet their priorities.

If one party controlled the Presidency and Congress at the same time, that may be a better indicator but it is still flawed due to fillibusters and other Senate tactics that the party in the minority can use.

[birdman]

My 87 yr old father in law is in the hospital recovering from a multi hundred thousand dollar heart surgey.
According to the doctors we have talked with, this surgery, if successfull may help him enjoy a very reduced qaulity of life for 6-8 months then ??.
I wonder, if after full implementaion of the new health care system enacted by Barack Obama & the democratic congress before it was even completely read or undestood by them, whether it will allow this same type of surgey?

[Rissask]

Originally Posted by birdman

My 87 yr old father in law is in the hospital recovering from a multi hundred thousand dollar heart surgey.
According to the doctors we have talked with, this surgery, if successfull may help him enjoy a very reduced qaulity of life for 6-8 months then ??.
I wonder, if after full implementaion of the new health care system enacted by Barack Obama & the democratic congress before it was even completely read or undestood by them, whether it will allow this same type of surgey?

pshaw


Did anyone see the special on CNN about the US system contrasted with the universal systems in Taiwan, Britain and Switzerland- and how those systems are far less costly and more efficient than the US system?

it was pretty interesting.

[ryberg]

Originally Posted by bearcat

Do you mean the chart you posted? I don't think it would be bad or good, in my opinion it is irrelevant since it does not really tell the whole story since it does not take into consideration which party controls Congress while the President is in power. A Republican President with a Democrat controlled Congress may not be able to pass their priorities and be forced into higher spending. Conversely, a Democratic President with a Republican controlled Congress will also not be able to meet their priorities.

If one party controlled the Presidency and Congress at the same time, that may be a better indicator but it is still flawed due to fillibusters and other Senate tactics that the party in the minority can use.

I meant in terms of public opinion and support and criticism, I don't see how it could be anything but good for President Obama & Democrats, as it seems really to fly in the face of the prevalent images and critiques. (shrug)

Would still like to hear from some of this administration's harshest critics here, though, who often complain about the supposedly outrageous spending levels currently and how we need to "take back" the country (as if it has been taken away, of course) and how this supposedly unprecedented approach is robbing our children of their futures and so on and so forth.

[equinenut]

Sheldon Adelson, a billionaire casino owner who is a staunch supporter of Israel, was once a major donor to Aipac. But because of Aipac’s support for American aid to the Palestinian Authority, he has broken from the group. This year, Mr. Adelson has given at least $10 million, along with his wife, to support Newt Gingrich’s presidential campaign.

Snort
He gave his WIFE to Newt??

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/19/wo...s-on-iran.html

Nice editing job. Would that be a Freudian slip???

[D33RHUNT3R]

Originally Posted by birdman

My 87 yr old father in law is in the hospital recovering from a multi hundred thousand dollar heart surgey.
According to the doctors we have talked with, this surgery, if successfull may help him enjoy a very reduced qaulity of life for 6-8 months then ??.
I wonder, if after full implementaion of the new health care system enacted by Barack Obama & the democratic congress before it was even completely read or undestood by them, whether it will allow this same type of surgey?

No ... it will not be cost effective therefore He would get some pain medicine and be sent home to die... any government run health care system is going to lead to rationing.. plain and simple... they may deny it, but that will be the reality..

[STOGEY]

Arrests women dissidents. Cuba is a friend of the Islamic Brotherhood. Who supports the OWS. Which gets support from George Soros, Bill Clinton, Hilary Clinton Mr. Mrs. Obama.

So much for Cubas reforms on allowing discention.

[ryberg]

Originally Posted by equinenut

Snort
He gave his WIFE to Newt??

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/19/wo...s-on-iran.html

Nice editing job. Would that be a Freudian slip???

Ha — excellent.

[Rissask]

Originally Posted by D33RHUNT3R

No ... it will not be cost effective therefore He would get some pain medicine and be sent home to die... any government run health care system is going to lead to rationing.. plain and simple... they may deny it, but that will be the reality..

Rationing is done in your system.....the rich and the middle class get treated, the poor (or slightly above poor) can just get stuffed...to the tune of 137,000 lives lost due to not qualifying for treatment thus far.

Yup, I will take our system anyday.


And there has to be some common sense involved in treatment. Take this situation - a 90 year old, in general poor health and dubious mental fitness, in need of a super costly experimental surgery that might not even work? Do you really think that is justified? As an example. Everyone has a grandpa, sure- but everyone's grandpa dies sometime, too.

These decisions are not easy ones to make, but they need to be wisely made.