Presidential Campaign: 2012

[Mnbruce]

Originally Posted by Robinhood

I just had a thought for all the posters on the left

sure you did!

[Banzoomba]

we just took a poll and our bartender "Jose the Magnificent" is the clear winner of the election......shots for all.....

[Robinhood]

Originally Posted by Babaloo

too

And what you posted is b.s.
Libya?
Check your source before you make an ass of yourself.

Hey Pizza breath why don't you check your sources before shooting of your mouth. I was in Libya for 6 months in 2001 working for Toyota setting up a diesel parts distribution warehouse in Tripoli. Your out of my league on this one .The points i made are all true to some degree meaning that even though it sounds glamorous the free health care and the rest there was still issues .But as for the fact that you state that it is BS all i can say is the fact that you jumped the gun and stuck your foot in your mouth as usual.

[CalifGuy]

Originally Posted by Robinhood

.The points i made are all true to some degree

That's great, but to what degree were your points false.



BTW: now I'm going to have to dump my Toyota.

[Mercy]

Originally Posted by CalifGuy

That's great, but to what degree were your points false.



BTW: now I'm going to have to dump my Toyota.

Why because RH said he worked for them Some people say the dumbest things on this thread.

[STOGEY]

Originally Posted by ryberg

I enjoyed that "bumper sticker" quote a lot. However it seems to have been removed from the article at that link.

However, somebody's already made a mock-up, apparently:

The only reason why the President took out bin. Is because that's the way you get a head in Chicago politics.

[Mikey]

[james]

Originally Posted by Mercy

Why because RH said he worked for them Some people say the dumbest things on this thread.

then don't read it.

just showing up to say something is dumb is rather pointless.

stay away and enjoy your day.

[Mercy]

Originally Posted by james

then don't read it.

just showing up to say something is dumb is rather pointless.

stay away and enjoy your day.

No more pointless than anything else on this thread..... and that's okay, I think I'll stick around.

[melliedee]

In spite of (and perhaps because of) increases in the number of U.S. Border Patrol agents, apprehensions of Mexicans trying to cross the border illegally have plummeted in recent years—from more than 1 million in 2005 to 286,000 in 2011—a likely indication that fewer unauthorized migrants are trying to cross. Border Patrol apprehensions of all unauthorized immigrants are now at their lowest level since 1971.

As apprehensions at the border have declined, deportations of unauthorized Mexican immigrants–some of them picked up at work sites or after being arrested for other criminal violations–have risen to record levels. In 2010, 282,000 unauthorized Mexican immigrants were repatriated by U.S. authorities, via deportation or the expedited removal process.

A growing share of unauthorized Mexican immigrants sent home by U.S. authorities had been in the United States for a year or more—27% in 2010, up from 6% in 2005. Also, 17% were apprehended at work or at home in 2010, compared with just 3% in 2005.

• 1.5 million deportations in the last 4 years, a record high.

• A 70 percent increase in the number of convicted criminals deported.

• Arrests at the border up 14 percent in the past two years.

Net Migration from Mexico Falls to Zero

[Mikey]

Originally Posted by melliedee

Net Migration from Mexico Falls to Zero

Great news! Seems it has a lot to do with the crappy economy. Kudos to Obama! It also said that the Mexican immigrant wave could return once the economy improves. Let's hope for four more years of Obamanomics!

[Babaloo]

Originally Posted by Robinhood

Hey Pizza breath why don't you check your sources before shooting of your mouth. I was in Libya for 6 months in 2001 working for Toyota setting up a diesel parts distribution warehouse in Tripoli. Your out of my league on this one .The points i made are all true to some degree meaning that even though it sounds glamorous the free health care and the rest there was still issues .But as for the fact that you state that it is BS all i can say is the fact that you jumped the gun and stuck your foot in your mouth as usual.

Six months, 12 years ago qualifies you I guess.
Let's take a look. Correct any that are wrong, please.


1. There is no electricity bill ; electricity is free for all its citizens.
Categorically untrue. Despite poor electricity infrastructure and poor coverage of electricity lines, even in the Capital, Libyan home owners pay monthly/quarterly (area dependant) electricity bills based on meter readings

2. There is no interest on loans, banks in are state-owned and loans given to all its citizens at 0% interest by law.
Categorically untrue. Banks all over Libya have been giving out loans for years and years. There is a percentage rate charge on all loans, which is comparable to an interest rate, but in the spirit of ‘islamic ethics’ it is not called interest, it is called an ‘Administrative Expense’

3. Home considered a human right
Gaddafi abused this human right as much as he did other basic rights. It is well known in Libya that political opponents and successful business men/women had their homes confiscated and handed over to regime members

4. All newlyweds in America receive (US$ 50,000 ) by the government to buy their first apartment so to help start up the family.
This is a well known rumour and a common joke in Libya. Whilst it may have been passed as official legislation, I know of not a single family who has been given this grant. The backbreaking bureaucracy associated with such grants and loans make them more or less impossible to obtain.

5. Education and medical treatments are free . Literacy would run about 90%Education and Health Care – Free does not mean adequate. It is well known that Libya’s standard of health care is nothing short of appalling. It is widely known that the majority of Libyans seeking medical care leave for neighbouring countries for treatment. Our Education system is no better. It is outdated, teachers are underpaid and under-trained and libraries are largely non-existent

6. Should Americans want to take up farming career, they would receive farming land, a farming house, equipments, seeds and livestock to kick- start their farms – all for free.
This has never happened, in addition to this many farms and homes have been confiscated by the government to build railroads, The Great Man Made River and civil roads.

7. If Americans cannot find the education or medical facilities they need in the US , the government funds them to go abroad for it – not only free but they get US $2, 300/mth accommodation and car allowance.
Categorically untrue. If this was the case, the former regime would have been in receipt of 6 million application forms – one for every man, women and child who ‘cannot find education or medical facilities they need’.

8. IF an American buys a car, the government subsidized 50% of the price.
There is no truth to the former Gaddafi regime paying 50% of the value of a new car.

9. The price of gas in the US is 50 cents a gallon
Yep. Gas is definitely cheaper in Libya.

10. The US has no external debt and its reserves are enormous
Whilst the sovereign wealth is undeniable, none of it was spent on the people of Libya nor the infrastructure of the country. Basic amenities, services, and state infrastructure are either absent or of appalling standard.

The availability of money is not tantamount to wealth or prosperity. The Arabs have a saying about Libya – “A rich nation of poor inhabitants.”

11. If a American is unable to get employment after graduation the state would pay the average salary of the profession as if he or she is employed until employment is found.
Categorically untrue. Even basic wages are sometimes unpaid for months, for those lucky enough to be employed. Welfare for the unemployed is non-existent

12. A portion of American Resource sales is, credited directly to the bank accounts of all citizens.
No basis to this claim as no such case can be found.

13. A mother who gave birth to a child receive US $5 ,000
Categorically untrue. There is a Child Benefit welfare payment in Libya – it is roughly 15-20 Libyan Dinars a month per child. No Libyan citizen was given foreign currency as compensation.


14. 40 loaves of bread in the US costs $ 0.15
Bread was subsidized by the state. While the price varies (marginally) from shop to shop, bready costs ¼ dinars for 10 baguettes (small) or roughly 500 grams per dinar. (At present, one dinar is equivalent to 80 cents usd)

15. 25% of Americans have a university degree
Perhaps...but

My Source. Dispute it all you want.

[ryberg]

Originally Posted by melliedee

Net Migration from Mexico Falls to Zero

Originally Posted by Mikey

Great news! Seems it has a lot to do with the crappy economy. Kudos to Obama! It also said that the Mexican immigrant wave could return once the economy improves. Let's hope for four more years of Obamanomics!

But Mikey is not impossible to please or anything like that.

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Really!

[melliedee]

Border security is a perfect example of what should be seen as a bipartisan responsibility. We should be able to agree on increasing legal immigration to our nation while decreasing legal immigration. Here we have a rare example of data-driven good news—a long-standing problem showing signs of being solved. Again, the driving factor might be the supply and demand of economics—but aggressive enforcement is helping as well by literally raising the barriers to entry. It’s too bad we can’t recognize the progress because we are so preoccupied with the same old partisan spin in a political world where narratives matter more than facts.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...n-success.html

[melliedee]

Originally Posted by Mikey

Great news! Seems it has a lot to do with the crappy economy. Kudos to Obama! It also said that the Mexican immigrant wave could return once the economy improves. Let's hope for four more years of Obamanomics!

One factor among many. From the same Pew report:

The standstill appears to be the result of many factors, including the weakened U.S. job and housing construction markets, heightened border enforcement, a rise in deportations, the growing dangers associated with illegal border crossings, the long-term decline in Mexico’s birth rates and broader economic conditions in Mexico.

A record high number of deportations (including a record for criminals) in the last three years and heightened border enforcement. Bipartisan good news, right?