Presidential Campaign: 2012

[Robinhood]

Originally Posted by ProfessorPibil

Wow, you really showed them.

I still can't comprehend how someone who pretends to be some sort of libertarian can be against the banks - I mean, do you propose limiting the ability of persons to do whatever they please? that's just incompatible with the rest of your "ideology"

Nice try PP I am all for liberty and people doing as they please...as long as no one is breaking the law of the land. The problem with your analogy is your painting Libertarians with a broad stroke ,for example according to your idea of a libertarian i should condone or accept what Bernie Madoff did as " what ever he pleased" or taxpayers bailing out the banks while they continue their irresponsible and reckless money games? For example this is after the 08 bailouts .

JPMorgan loss is only going to get worse - May. 20, 2012

I don't hate the Bankers.. I DESPISE THEM WITH EVERY OUNCE OF LIFE IN ME!! And if the sheep of this great nation new only half the truth about how they operate we wouldn't be in the mess were in. And thats a fact.

[Robinhood]

Originally Posted by Dan-0

Why don't we have more candidates like they have in Mexico? Our political race is a big bore with two stiffs as candidates.

We need more candidates like Natalia Juarez. How about some topless billboards, & maybe even some topless debates? Now you're talkin'.
Na-na-na na-na-na, Natalia!

Now thats worth voting for

[Seakony]

Originally Posted by Dan-0

Why don't we have more candidates like they have in Mexico? Our political race is a big bore with two stiffs as candidates.

We need more candidates like Natalia Juarez. How about some topless billboards, & maybe even some topless debates? Now you're talkin'.
Na-na-na na-na-na, Natalia!

How about executing a president that makes false promises? Obama is a dead man.

[Seakony]

Originally Posted by StephenB

I didn't click the link but I think he and his recess appointed czars are being sued by EVERYONE. States, business, religious institutions and on and on. Most of it on constitutional issues. I think he may hold the record. I wonder why?

I know why..I know why!!!!! It's because all his major influences were?are socialists. Anybody who read his book would know that.
That and he doesn't hold the constitution to his heart.

[Seakony]

Originally Posted by StephenB

Sweet! It looks like the president who has accepted the biggest bag of money from Wall street in the history of the world is going to continue his anti capitalism-anti big business rhetoric. I like it. He's even pissing off some well placed democrats and advisors....double down bro...

It's don't do as I do..do as I say do. such a hypocrite.

[Seakony]

Originally Posted by roni

No, not at all.

You post on a public forum, you get what you get.

You can be rude if you want to, that's your karma

this coming from a guy who keeps calling you Arkie..(and meant as a put down)

I'd look elsewhere for any advice on manners.

[Seakony]

Originally Posted by Brent & Kim

It's ok for someone to have an opinion not based on facts from another source. Search a few of the great people in history.....or just follow everyone else.

I think it is only facts if the source has the same agenda as the person reading it.
BTW..I don't find any govt source as credible. Huge red flag.

[STOGEY]

Obama his due. He created the necessity. By ending the US manned space program. Private enterprise has created the invention. By developing the first privately launched rocket to the ISS.

[roni]

A new Washington Post/ABC News poll found 93 percent of Obama supporters are enthusiastic about voting for him, compared to 75 percent of Mitt Romney's supporters who are enthusiastic about casting ballots for him.

Of Obama's supporters, 51 percent are very enthusiastic, while 26 percent of Romney's are very enthusiastic.

The numbers are similar to those for Obama and McCain at this point in the 2008 race, with Obama's enthusiasm at 91 percent and McCain's at 74 percent.

This will get tougher for Romney as he continues to try to move toward the center and does not deliver the red-meat demanded by the Republican base.

Obama has enthusiasm edge in new poll - POLITICO.com

[melliedee]

Originally Posted by StephenB

Sweet! It looks like the president who has accepted the biggest bag of money from Wall street in the history of the world is going to continue his anti capitalism-anti big business rhetoric. I like it. He's even pissing off some well placed democrats and advisors....double down bro...

This backfired spectacularly when Newt tried the anti-capitalism strategy in the primary (their super pac even made a documentary about Bain's economic "vampirism," remember?) And It will backfire now. Private equity firms are meant to maximize profits (sometimes they create jobs; sometimes they destroy them) but their ultimate goal as wealth creators for their investors is neither shady or illegal.

Booker spoke the truth. He has to pretend it was a gaffe for appearance's sake.

[roni]

Originally Posted by melliedee

This backfired spectacularly when Newt tried the anti-capitalism strategy in the primary (their super pac even made a documentary about Bain's economic "vampirism," remember?) And It will backfire now. Private equity firms are meant to maximize profits (sometimes they create jobs; sometimes they destroy them) but their ultimate goal as wealth creators for their investors is neither shady or illegal.

Booker spoke the truth. He has to pretend it was a gaffe for appearance's sake.

I disagree that it will backfire now.

I think President Obama was on target with his comments about the ads and the issue yesterday, and that this line will cost Romney far more votes than it will cost Obama.

I also do not think that this will the main message of the campaign for long.

This is not the Republican primary campaign.

[melliedee]

Contrary to conventional military and game theory, the most effective offense is sometimes a direct attack against your political opponent’s greatest strength—not his weaknesses—to place him immediately on the defensive.

This is a strategy Team Obama has borrowed directly from the 2004 Republican playbook. John Kerry’s military experience could have been perceived as a strength in the 2004 election, but it became a weakness when exposed to questioning.

Hoping to make Mitt Romney’s business leadership a liability in voters’ minds, the Obama campaign has launched a “Vampire” video and website documenting job losses in 2001 at a Kansas City steel mill owned by Bain Capital, the private equity firm Romney led until 1999.

After similar volleys fired by rivals in the Republican primary, Team Romney would have been fools not to be prepared for this line of attack. They were prepared. And their response is raw, real, and brutally effective.

Obama

[roni]

I also think it is very whiny do Mitt to use his private sector experience as a primary qualifier for the Presidency and the complain when others take that claim seriously and address it.

[melliedee]

The two-minute ad says Romney’s firm took over GST Steel in Kansas City, pocketed profits, ran up debt, declared bankruptcy and fired all 750 workers.

“It was like a vampire,” former steelworker Jack Cobb says in the ad. “They came in and sucked the life out of us.”

But the attack even got bad reviews from Obama’s car czar, Steve Rattner, who ordered widespread dealership closures for Obama’s auto bailouts.

“The ad is unfair,” he said on MSNBC, adding that the campaign shouldn’t politicize those types of job losses.

“Unfortunately, this is part of capitalism. This is part of life,” he said. “And I don’t think there is anything Bain Capital did that they need to be embarrassed about.”

Obama hits Romney with “vampire” ad, but it backfires in Dems’ faces - NYPOST.com

[melliedee]

Originally Posted by roni

I disagree that it will backfire now.

I think President Obama was on target with his comments about the ads and the issue yesterday, and that this line will cost Romney far more votes than it will cost Obama.

I also do not think that this will the main message of the campaign for long.

This is not the Republican primary campaign.

It already has.

I also find it disingenuous to exploit workers who have lost jobs in this way. It was painful to watch when Newt's super pac did; it is an unfair shot now. A major bundler for the Obama campaign works at Bain, and the campaign takes huge donations from Wall Street.

Yes, Romney should be able to articulate how his experience translates into a benefit for holding high office. Yes, he should be called to task for inflating the job creation numbers in a field that is not designed for job creation. That doesn't make private equity the boogeyman.